Cyberpunk 2077

[kukkamies]

I dunno about a 10/10 but GTAV is a far better world from top to bottom. CDPR can't even get basic shit like traffic and pedestrian AI right. Literally go block rush hour traffic in GTAV, then do the same in Cyberpunk. Throw grenades in it once it's packed up and look at the hilarious difference in quality. GTAV turns into a chaotic shit show where a million different things can happen and Cyberpunk has every ped get out of their car and duck down in fear at the exact same time like they are a fucking dance crew.

The fact you even try to compare the quality between the two is outright laughable. CDPR isn't even on Ubisoft's level for making an open world so we definitely shouldn't be comparing them to Rockstar of all people.

I'm more interested in the missions and gameplay than the plebeians reactions. Just run to quest points and do them, so that doesn't matter to me. Maybe why GTA V was so boring?

Why are all of these guys playing on consoles? I'd a forum focused on WoW would have more PC players. Personally I got PS4 Pro a year ago, played a month, realized it's trash compared to PC. God of War had constant FPS drops so quit it in an hour. Moving camera is frustratingly slow in fps games. So who cares if it's trash on ps4?

[Nehezbegar]

Well actually, yes Sony did literally kick their game off of their store. The statement was acknowledging what happened to investors and letting them know physical copies are still sold and they will still patch the PS4 version of the game. They did not reach any agreement with Sony- Sony literally just said if your garbage has to be mass refunded then it also can't be sold here.

I think the translation is a little bit fucked up, in Polish it is

Zarząd CD PROJEKT S.A. z siedzibą w Warszawie (dalej jako „Spółka”) przekazuje do publicznej wiadomości decyzję Sony Interactive Entertainment (dalej jako “SIE”) dotyczącą usunięcia do odwołania cyfrowej wersji gry Cyberpunk 2077 ze sprzedaży z PlayStation Store. Decyzja podjęta została po konsultacjach Spółki z przedstawicielami SIE dotyczących umożliwienia realizacji zwrotu gry osobom które zakupiły ją w wersji cyfrowej poprzez PlayStation Store i chciałyby dokonać jej zwrotu.

Which can be understood that it was after consultation....well anyways.

Maybe PlayStation and MS will also get their act together and add to certification process a rule that game cant be bugged as fuck.

[Tech614]

Maybe PlayStation and MS will also get their act together and add to certification process a rule that game cant be bugged as fuck.

It's not their job to beta test games they don't publish, and no MS and Sony are not going to spend money beta testing 3rd party games so you should definitely get that insane thought out of your brain lol.

[deenman]

I couldn't even get past 2nd area in Witcher 3. Only around 5 hours in GTA V. Didn't even try RDR2. Not that interesting games so far. Should try them again but don't see much fun in there. I don't understand how they are that highly valued.
Cyberpunk has got my attention for 2 weeks soon. It's much more enjoyable than those 3. CDPR did well. Enjoying my time with it more than the earlier games. It's not a 10/10 but so wasn't W3 or GTA V either.

this reminds me of people who say they enjoy fallout 76...it truly blows my mind...but hey...some people out there LITERALY enjoy drinking their own urine...so...i guess anything is posible for people to enjoy

also how you couldnt get past 2nd area in witcher 3?what does that even mean?the second area is huge,its like half the base game

[Nehezbegar]

It's not their job to beta test games they don't publish, and no MS and Sony are not going to spend money beta testing 3rd party games so you should definitely get that insane thought out of your brain lol.

You don't have to be a beta tester to see problems with Cyberpunk, u need like 2 hours of gameplay

[Tech614]

You don't have to be a beta tester to see problems with Cyberpunk, u need like 2 hours of gameplay

Oh ok, so Sony and MS pull the genius move to have someone "beta test for 2 hours" and clear the game? Cool so CDPR only has to spend about an extra week polishing the first 2 hours of the game to make sure there are no wide spread issues there. This isn't how testing works dude, and this is why testing a game is a massive undertaking and the responsibility of the developer- not platform holders. Sony and MS certify games so they don't cause issues to their hardware, not to beta test developers games for them.

But this isn't even the real issue here. The issue is CDPR hid base console versions and wouldn't even send out review copies of them. The advertisements on the console store pages are all PC footage and the only console footage ever shown by them was 7 min youtube videos that only showed PS4 Pro/PS5 and XOX/XSX. You can release a janky ass game if you're up front about it but they tried to pull a fast one here.

[Nehezbegar]

Oh ok, so Sony and MS pull the genius move to have someone "beta test for 2 hours" and clear the game? Cool so CDPR only has to spend about an extra week polishing the first 2 hours of the game to make sure there are no wide spread issues there. This isn't how testing works dude, and this is why testing a game is a massive undertaking and the responsibility of the developer- not platform holders. Sony and MS certify games so they don't cause issues to their hardware, not to beta test developers games for them.

But this isn't even the real issue here. The issue is CDPR hid base console versions and wouldn't even send out review copies of them. The advertisements on the console store pages are all PC footage and the only console footage ever shown by them was 7 min youtube videos that only showed PS4 Pro/PS5 and XOX/XSX. You can release a janky ass game if you're up front about it but they tried to pull a fast one here.

I dont defend CDPR XD, if u scroll up u can see i bash them for what they pulled off. I simply say perhaps there is some precautions that MS or PS can take to avoid shit like this, it also hurts them in some way, dunno. For instance if someone wants their game to publish on GOG, GOG firstly play the game if its 'good enough' to be published (ye i know the shit GOG pulled too with Devotion, i also spoke about it here). So there is a way i think, but i guess it means costs and time to do it.

But I also understand MS and PS had some form of trust in CDPR they can somewhat pull that off.

[Tech614]

I dont defend CDPR XD, if u scroll up u can see i bash them for what they pulled off. I simply say perhaps there is some precautions that MS or PS can take to avoid shit like this, it also hurts them in some way, dunno. For instance if someone wants their game to publish on GOG, GOG firstly play the game if its 'good enough' to be published (ye i know the shit GOG pulled too with Devotion, i also spoke about it here). So there is a way i think, but i guess it means costs and time to do it.

But I also understand MS and PS had some form of trust in CDPR they can somewhat pull that off.

GOG literally just makes sure the game code runs on modern hardware/OS without issues. When you're selling what are sometimes ancient ass games the code needs to be altered so they actually work. That isn't testing a game for performance issues and glitches lmao.

It's not the platform holders job to test your game. Only to make sure the game boots and doesn't brick or compromise their platform. Sony and MS are not going to beta test for people and GOG sure as hell doesn't either.

[Nehezbegar]

GOG literally just makes sure the game code runs on modern hardware/OS without issues. When you're selling what are sometimes ancient ass games the code needs to be altered so they actually work. That isn't testing a game for performance issues and glitches lmao.

Nope as far as i heard from videos that gog put out some time ago, if u are indie dev for instance and want to publish they play ur game if its good . The old games are prepared by gog itself so obviously they will publish it

[Cringefest]

I dont defend CDPR XD, if u scroll up u can see i bash them for what they pulled off. I simply say perhaps there is some precautions that MS or PS can take to avoid shit like this, it also hurts them in some way, dunno. For instance if someone wants their game to publish on GOG, GOG firstly play the game if its 'good enough' to be published (ye i know the shit GOG pulled too with Devotion, i also spoke about it here). So there is a way i think, but i guess it means costs and time to do it.

But I also understand MS and PS had some form of trust in CDPR they can somewhat pull that off.

Personally I think pulling games off the store is a good enough form of control.

[Tech614]

Nope as far as i heard from videos that gog put out some time ago, if u are indie dev for instance and want to publish they play ur game if its good . The old games are prepared by gog itself so obviously they will publish it

Read what you are saying and remind me how it has anything to do with this situation. Playing a game is not testing a game. Playing a game is not false advertising and hiding versions of a game. Playing a game is not optimizing a game.

Sony does not care if you release a janky ass game on their platform- that's on you. Sony cares they deliberately hid the state of the base PS4 version and are not going to go down with CDPR in any possible class action suit. This shouldn't be rocket science to understand my dude. They are not going to beta test and optimize your game for you. You can release a game as shitty as life of black tiger on the PS4 if you want- just be up front about the game with the trailers on the store page which lets the consumer decide if they want that shitty running game or not.

[kukkamies]

this reminds me of people who say they enjoy fallout 76...it truly blows my mind...but hey...some people out there LITERALY enjoy drinking their own urine...so...i guess anything is posible for people to enjoy

also how you couldnt get past 2nd area in witcher 3?what does that even mean?the second area is huge,its like half the base game

In that Witcher 3 got boring. I expected something more like Gothic 3 or the Risen series from the descriptions. Wasn't the quests and combat that I wanted.

[Dhrizzle]

this reminds me of people who say they enjoy fallout 76...it truly blows my mind...but hey...some people out there LITERALY enjoy drinking their own urine...so...i guess anything is posible for people to enjoy

also how you couldnt get past 2nd area in witcher 3?what does that even mean?the second area is huge,its like half the base game

Fallout 76 is basically Fallout 4 with less story and more exploring and "core gameplay," it wasn't exactly my cup of tea but it works as a game and is something I play for an hour every now and then.

*Disclaimer - I play on PC so if consoles are bugged to hell feel free to dismiss what I say here.

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Oh ok, so Sony and MS pull the genius move to have someone "beta test for 2 hours" and clear the game? Cool so CDPR only has to spend about an extra week polishing the first 2 hours of the game to make sure there are no wide spread issues there. This isn't how testing works dude, and this is why testing a game is a massive undertaking and the responsibility of the developer- not platform holders. Sony and MS certify games so they don't cause issues to their hardware, not to beta test developers games for them.

But this isn't even the real issue here. The issue is CDPR hid base console versions and wouldn't even send out review copies of them. The advertisements on the console store pages are all PC footage and the only console footage ever shown by them was 7 min youtube videos that only showed PS4 Pro/PS5 and XOX/XSX. You can release a janky ass game if you're up front about it but they tried to pull a fast one here.

That reminds me of how developers used to put all their best ideas into one level and stick it on a cover-disk (90s) or tape (80s,) so you'd get a free level of an awesome new game, buy it and find out the other 90% is a pile of crap.

[Gaidax]

I'm not shilling for shit and I haven't been hopping to their defense. I'm saying idiots trying to run __any__ new big bleeding edge game on one generation old console is an idiot.

I mean, if the publisher/developer allows the game to be bought on said one generation old console in PlayStation Store - it's on said published, not on customers.

Thus Sony removed that POS.

/shrug

[Cringefest]

I mean, if the publisher/developer allows the game to be bought on said one generation old console in PlayStation Store - it's on said published, not on customers.

Thus Sony removed that POS.

/shrug

Like, a console isn't a PC. If you buy a game on it, it runs. If it doesn't it's not your fault nor the console. It's a weird point to make.

[Hobb]

Was wondering how much a 33% drop in CDPR's stock would hurt the company and apparently its quite a bit.

CDPR has reported with the drop in stock price the company has lost over $1 billion, which also includes income made from it's record break pre-order sales. Add in the fact that millions are now allowed to return their game through Sony, that lost is going to increase.

Hopefully CDPR can pull themselves out of this, but they're in catastrophic damage control mode right now. I wouldn't be surprised at this point if the CEO isn't removed.

https://screenrant.com/cd-projekt-fo...yberpunk-2077/

[Verdugo]

I mean, if the publisher/developer allows the game to be bought on said one generation old console in PlayStation Store - it's on said published, not on customers.

Thus Sony removed that POS.

/shrug

To be fair, I dont think THAT was the reason, since Sony doesnt give a shit about bad ports. Reason was CDPR telling people about refunds without contacting Sony first.

[Saltysquidoon]

I find it legitimately mindboggling people are still defending it at this point. This isn't a normal EA or ubishit situation where they release their yearly unoptimized cash crop and rely on reddit drones to defend them.
The developer has made the mistake of admitting fault, Sony has taken defensive action. We are past "I don't care about the h8ers I had fun" or "Unpopular opinion: POS is actually good".

[Jtbrig7390]

So anyone wanting a Refund on PS4/PS5. They updated the website to where its a link and you just click a button.

https://www.playstation.com/en-us/cy...-2077-refunds/

It auto summits your refund.

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To be fair, I dont think THAT was the reason, since Sony doesnt give a shit about bad ports. Reason was CDPR telling people about refunds without contacting Sony first.

That and the only reason it passed certification was due to them telling both Sony and MS that it would be fixed day 1. They dragged Sony/MS into their mess with that and the refund stuff.

They burned a lot of bridges in both the Gaming Community and likely with Sony/MS.

[kaminaris]

I find it legitimately mindboggling people are still defending it at this point. This isn't a normal EA or ubishit situation where they release their yearly unoptimized cash crop and rely on reddit drones to defend them.
The developer has made the mistake of admitting fault, Sony has taken defensive action. We are past "I don't care about the h8ers I had fun" or "Unpopular opinion: POS is actually good".

No, normal people dont give a shit about your whole drama you want to create because it's cool to hate. Normal people also dont care about company but about product.
Its on you to think that we somehow "defending".

Its simple, if game will work for me then I don't give a two shits about some random internet guy telling me to hate it. Its laughable.