1.07 looks great

[nightshark]

Let's be fair. It was very obvious the dark wanderer in D2 was Diablo, I knew that and I only ever played about half way through the first act (many years later I played through Act2 but stopped, again). If you'd played D1 it was exactly what you expected. The hero shoves the soulstone in his head to contain it, it was terribly obvious he would be Diablo in a sequel - NPCs talked of the dark wanderer in the first act and it's like "yep, that was me in D1".

D3 story might be utter shit but let's not pretend D2 story was deep and mysterious.

[Noctifer616]

No they aren't.

Maybe to you seeing a stop sign and someone telling you to stop doesn't convey the same information, but to me it does.

[Glorious Leader]

Maybe to you seeing a stop sign and someone telling you to stop doesn't convey the same information, but to me it does.

Excepts demons coming from the wanderer aren't a fucking stop sign. What a piss poor analogy. LEia on the other hand is an OBVIOUS FUCKING STOP SIGN. Maybe 2+2=5 where you live but it isn't in the rest of the universe unfortunately.

D2s story was by no means perfect. It did however have the fucking advantage of not hand holding you everywhere you fucking turned. D3 is a game written for the masses of idiots who need everything explained to them verbally because they lack the capacity for rational or independent though. End of story. I'm done arguing with this because it's going nowhere. Fanboys can't accept when something is crap. I give up trying to educate.

[namelessone]

Really? BUT LEIA WAS SUCH A BIG MYSTERY RIGHT? What a fucking crock of shit. The wanderer lead you to way more mystery than LEIA. Leia is as obvious as fake tits on a porn star. THEY SPOON FEED YOU INFORMATION. I don't know how else to say it. It's the biggest tripe. It's worse than pulp fiction from the 20s and 30s. It's worse than poorly written harlequin romance novels. It's worse than the writing on the jersey shore. It's worse than SPOCKS BRAIN ffs.

Look, I never said D3 is the finest example of fantasy fiction writing. It was meh, just about as meh as D2. I've seen better, and I've seen worse. Frankly, the only problem I have is that you are comparing D3 to D2 like shit to truffles. And you keep calling me fanboy. Look at your own posts man, you are raging. You need to calm down.

D3 writing is bad. It's not "the biggest tripe" or "the worst shit" it's just bad, like 99% of blizzard writing. D2 writing was pretty terrible. Wanderer is obviously evil, drunk guy doesn't make sense, the player character has no connection to the story. The story itself is so incoherent, you can easily confirm it - just try to describe me in two or three simple sentences what the game is about.

D3 has flaws. You keep claiming that I am defending them, yet I never did. The only thing I claim is that they aren't "ZOMG GLARING" and they don't make the game "ZOMG UTTER SHIT". D2 had flaws. It was a fun game. At least one thing I liked more in D2 over D3 is random outdoor areas and more random places to explore. I like D3 skill system more than D2, it just feels more fun to me personally. I liked some of the D2 classes more than D3 stuff, like Druid. But frankly I thought Amazon or Assassin or Paladin were boring.

So, yeah, you gotta chill out.

[Noctifer616]

D2s story was by no means perfect.

It was actually crap to put it mildly.

Fanboys can't accept when something is crap.

I am pretty sure that I said early that the story of all 3 games is crap. I never said D3 story was good, the only good thing were the lore audio books that you find because they told you something about the world, rather than nothing.

[Orange Joe]

Excepts demons coming from the wanderer aren't a fucking stop sign. What a piss poor analogy. LEia on the other hand is an OBVIOUS FUCKING STOP SIGN. Maybe 2+2=5 where you live but it isn't in the rest of the universe unfortunately.

D2s story was by no means perfect. It did however have the fucking advantage of not hand holding you everywhere you fucking turned. D3 is a game written for the masses of idiots who need everything explained to them verbally because they lack the capacity for rational or independent though. End of story. I'm done arguing with this because it's going nowhere. Fanboys can't accept when something is crap. I give up trying to educate.

Yet another person that has to resort to insulting people because he thinks he is superior. Stop thinking your opinions is better than anyone else.

---------- Post added 2013-01-21 at 04:57 PM ----------

Look, I never said D3 is the finest example of fantasy fiction writing. It was meh, just about as meh as D2. I've seen better, and I've seen worse. Frankly, the only problem I have is that you are comparing D3 to D2 like shit to truffles. And you keep calling me fanboy. Look at your own posts man, you are raging. You need to calm down.

D3 writing is bad. It's not "the biggest tripe" or "the worst shit" it's just bad, like 99% of blizzard writing. D2 writing was pretty terrible. Wanderer is obviously evil, drunk guy doesn't make sense, the player character has no connection to the story. The story itself is so incoherent, you can easily confirm it - just try to describe me in two or three simple sentences what the game is about.

D3 has flaws. You keep claiming that I am defending them, yet I never did. The only thing I claim is that they aren't "ZOMG GLARING" and they don't make the game "ZOMG UTTER SHIT". D2 had flaws. It was a fun game. At least one thing I liked more in D2 over D3 is random outdoor areas and more random places to explore. I like D3 skill system more than D2, it just feels more fun to me personally. I liked some of the D2 classes more than D3 stuff, like Druid. But frankly I thought Amazon or Assassin or Paladin were boring.

So, yeah, you gotta chill out.

He wants to attack the game so bad he isn't reading what we are writing.

[Deleted]

D3 story might be utter shit but let's not pretend D2 story was deep and mysterious.

Whoever said D2 story was deep and mysterious?

At least it wasn't overly corny "bla bla, mortals are awesome". Hey, where have I heard this before? Oh yeah, Cataclysm!
Good job Blizzard, truly original.

[namelessone]

Whoever said D2 story was deep and mysterious?

At least it wasn't overly corny "bla bla, mortals are awesome". Hey, where have I heard this before? Oh yeah, Cataclysm!
Good job Blizzard, truly original.

Originality isn't that important in the big picture. Some of the best RPGs that I played, Planescape: Torment and Dragon Age - borrow heavily from literature. D3 story WAS insanely corny, but I think it was partly there was simply a lot more story exposition than in D2 to begin with. D2 didn't have a lot of story to begin with, it was basically "chase the bad guy and kill him because he's evil", so at least it didn't attract attention. D3 has a lot of dialogue, scripted scenes, all that jazz, so the corniness of the story is kinda shining in your face.

To be fair, Blizzard has a history of insanely corny stories, terrible VA and atrocious writing. And the more they focus on story - the worse it gets.

[Orange Joe]

Whoever said D2 story was deep and mysterious?

At least it wasn't overly corny "bla bla, mortals are awesome". Hey, where have I heard this before? Oh yeah, Cataclysm!
Good job Blizzard, truly original.

And almost any fantasy story where a human is the main character. Go figure...

[Redblade]

By the way, D2 fanboys, you still didn't tell me why you have such an overwhelming urge to shit on D3 on every possible forum instead of playing D2 which is still perfectly playable?

Just for you I'll say it again, if they had updated it to run in 1920*1080 with full screen windowed mode I probably would have.

[Resentful]

Just for you I'll say it again, if they had updated it to run in 1920*1080 with full screen windowed mode I probably would have.

In addition to not getting banned if we use the actual mod for it just saying.

[Beazy]

Excepts demons coming from the wanderer aren't a fucking stop sign. What a piss poor analogy. LEia on the other hand is an OBVIOUS FUCKING STOP SIGN. Maybe 2+2=5 where you live but it isn't in the rest of the universe unfortunately.

D2s story was by no means perfect. It did however have the fucking advantage of not hand holding you everywhere you fucking turned. D3 is a game written for the masses of idiots who need everything explained to them verbally because they lack the capacity for rational or independent though. End of story. I'm done arguing with this because it's going nowhere. Fanboys can't accept when something is crap. I give up trying to educate.

D2 story was a couple of paragraphs of quest text and about 6 vids that contained about 1 to 2 sentences of dialogue. Wtf are you talking about, there was barely a story to tell in that game. . . did you even play it??

Why are you so bent out of shape over story telling? Are you booty hurt that D3 has a better story than Twilight?

[Mormolyce]

Let's be fair. It was very obvious the dark wanderer in D2 was Diablo, I knew that and I only ever played about half way through the first act (many years later I played through Act2 but stopped, again). If you'd played D1 it was exactly what you expected. The hero shoves the soulstone in his head to contain it, it was terribly obvious he would be Diablo in a sequel - NPCs talked of the dark wanderer in the first act and it's like "yep, that was me in D1".

Hehe yeah. And am I the only one who remembers the whole plot of Lord of Destruction?

"Hi welcome to Arreat Summit, we're all wondering who the traitor was. Oh and be careful of that guy Nihlathak over there - yeah the suspicious sole survivor of the Elders... you know the one standing around cackling and rubbing his hands together in glee and being a jerk to everyone?"

"Oh hello there, adventurers. I wonder who the traitor was. On a totally unrelated note, Nihlathak sure is creepy and has been acting weird and nobody in town trusts him."

"What do you want, heroes? I'm Nihlathak the evi... er the Elder. I hate you and am going to be an asshole to you for no reason. But I'm totally not the traitor or anything!"

...

"HAHAHA surprise foolish heroes! I, Nihlathak, am the traitor! Good thing nobody ever suspected me!!!"


I honestly have no clue why people would complain about D3's plot, it's like orders of magnitude more complex than D2's was.

[Orange Joe]

D2 story was a couple of paragraphs of quest text and about 6 vids that contained about 1 to 2 sentences of dialogue. Wtf are you talking about, there was barely a story to tell in that game. . . did you even play it??

Why are you so bent out of shape over story telling? Are you botty hurt that D3 has a better story than Twilight?

I think he is more upset it's better than SW:TOR

[Mormolyce]

I'll put this as simple as I can because apparently it's a very complex thing were discussing, although not in reality. A character WHO TELLS YOU WHO OR WHAT SHE IS or VERBALLY LEADS YOU TO OBVIOUS CONCLUSIONS ABOUT WHO OR WHAT SHE IS is spoon feeding viewers and audiences with informatoin. Seeing a cutscene of a dude in a cloak with some demons about WHO YOU NEVER HEAR SPEAK OR NEVER SEE HIS FACE OR AT THAT POINT DON'T EVEN KNOW HIS FUCKIN NAME is alot less spoon feeding. If you can't understand that then theirs very little hope for you.

What the freaking hell are you talking about? If you had seen the end cutscene of D1, or the start cutscene of D2, or even the freaking trailer for D2, you knew EXACTLY who the Dark Wanderer was from the very beginning. That was never a secret or surprise or twist. I freaking knew who the Dark Wanderer was before D2 was even released! Leah being Diablo's daughter is far more freaking surprising than that ever was.

Look, some games are heavy on the plot and some aren't and that's FINE. Not every game has to be Planescape: Torment. Sometimes you want a complex, interesting plot with lots of twists and compelling characters, but sometimes you just want to get out your Claymore and bash some demon brains. Diablo's plot has always just been there for background and atmosphere. Hell D1's plot was basically "there's demons, go kill them". It's gotten a bit more intricate over the years (despite all the crap haters spew, D3's plot is by far the most complex), but still it's never going to be nor should be a plot-based game.

Personally I thought D1 did the best job of creating that unique Diablo atmosphere - even though its plot was almost non-existent. The little NPCs added character and the first few levels, especially where you first encounter the Butcher, are very memorable. Then D2 came along and made the gameplay so much better and more complex, and the story was good enough for background material. Bit more intricate than D1, you see more places around the world and so on. But still pretty straightforward:

Act 1 - We have to find the Dark Wanderer in Tristram! Ah crap we just missed him.
Act 2 - We have to find the Dark Wanderer in the desert! Ah crap we just missed him. And he freed Belial, rats.
Act 3 - We have to find the Dark Wanderer in the jungle! Ah crap we just missed him. And he freed Mephisto, but it's okay we killed him. Also did you know he was a big red dinosaur?
Act 4 - We have to find Diablo and kill him! Sweet, we did.

---------- Post added 2013-01-21 at 11:37 PM ----------

Your wizard is a wizard. Leia is not a wizard, their isn't even the slightest hint of that.

Her mother is the Witch Adria. Which you find out in Act I. Not to mention she's been raised by the last of the Horadrim.

[namelessone]

Personally I thought D1 did the best job of creating that unique Diablo atmosphere - even though its plot was almost non-existent. The little NPCs added character and the first few levels, especially where you first encounter the Butcher, are very memorable.

Yes, this. D1 had awesome atmosphere that in my opinion was absent from both D2 and D3. D2 with Barbarians and Necromancers already felt like too much of a fantasy, while D1 was like cool gothic horror.

[Adam Jensen]

D3 had a story?

[Shinzai]

So yeah. Now that the most pointless Diablo argument ever is over, 1.07 is looking better than average.

[jaakkeli]

D2 story was a couple of paragraphs of quest text and about 6 vids that contained about 1 to 2 sentences of dialogue. Wtf are you talking about, there was barely a story to tell in that game. . . did you even play it??

The mistake of D3 is putting so much focus on the story when they didn't have a particularily good story to tell. When people get spoon-fed a lackluster story at every turn, it feels worse than it actually is. D2 story does the opposite, it gives you some occasional cool cutscene (Tyrael dueling with Diablo looked pretty cool to me at the time, of course I was a lot younger then too and more impressed by cool flaming swords but anyway...) and then you have to fill in the blanks yourself while you're hungering for more of that cool story stuff.

The point about it being equally obvious that Leah is possessed by Diablo and that the Dark Wanderer was possessed by Diablo is a good example. In D2, you arrive at the rogue camp knowing that some dude they're calling the Dark Wanderer has demon trouble following him so you start trailing this Dark Wanderer. Pretty soon you'll figure out that it's Diablo but it doesn't matter, once you know it's Diablo the logical thing is to keep doing what you're doing, following his trail. The story is written so that it doesn't matter whether you realize the Dark Wanderer is Diablo, your actions will still make perfect sense.

In D3, you figure out pretty soon that Leah is possessed by Diablo but then you're forced to follow this spoon-fed plot where your character still doesn't realize it and goes along with working for the obvious traitor. Once you know that Leah is possessed by Diablo, none of the plot makes any sense anymore. Why would you go along with the plan once you realize where it's leading? The story is written so that you have to pretend that your character and Tyrael are too stupid to realize what you yourself realize since the plan makes zero sense once you realize Diablo is in Leah.

[Deleted]

Good things Tyrael rebrands himself as Wisdom, not Intelligence.