Obamacare to cost average of $20 Thousand per family

[someotherguy]

My anecdotal example is the most that my family has paid in health insurance in a year is about $5500. I'm married with 2 children, and that was through my work. I'm not sure about private health insurance(insurance not through employer), but employer-provided health insurance typically doesn't adjust based on number of children. I.e., I could have 20 kids, and my premiums would've still been $5500.

I would agree that someone making 120k and having a family with 3! children would have health insurance anyway.
However lets not forget that some people make good money specifically because they are consultants, and do not get insurance from work, but have to buy it themselves.
I believe I pay about same as you for family coverage, but I think employer puts up more than than for me (they keep complaining in order to have us aware of their expenses I guess).

I don't think 20k is unbelievable for a family of 5, if you don't have group coverage. It's probably somewhere there - don't forget we get discounts at work because it's a whole group of people.

[Tradewind]

My anecdotal example is the most that my family has paid in health insurance in a year is about $5500. I'm married with 2 children, and that was through my work. I'm not sure about private health insurance(insurance not through employer), but employer-provided health insurance typically doesn't adjust based on number of children. I.e., I could have 20 kids, and my premiums would've still been $5500.

I have socialist healthcare paid through my income tax; tax that would go down for every dependent.

[Greeney]

I'm just glad that I live in a country where this basic human right is practically free.

Couldn't agree more.

[Tinykong]

They've been winning since their inception more than 60-70 years ago. Only way to eliminate it? The evil socialized medicine system.

They certainly never convinced me, until the government decided to step in and twist my arm and force me to do business with them. I'd rather have socialized medicine than what we're getting, making profit of other people's misfortune and misery is disgusting.

[KrazyK923]

An article that makes it seem like Obamacare isn't the best thing since sliced bread?

MUST BE LIES

Or...and, follow me here...

A conservative website misleads people about Obamacare, claiming a very tangential interpretation as how the actual thing works.

So, yes, in this case, its kind of lying.

[Tradewind]

They certainly never convinced me, until the government decided to step in and twist my arm and force me to do business with them. I'd rather have socialized medicine than what we're getting, making profit of other people's misfortune and misery is disgusting.

Sounds like another contentious industry currently operating at massive profit levels in the US.

[Tinykong]

I'm certain there are thousands(millions?) of people that are uninsured for that very reason, that it's just not cost-effective, and that provided the family is generally healthy, it's a calculated risk to go without insurance and avoid the high premiums.

Why do you think Karen Ignani forced Obama to put in the individual mandate in order to ensure universal coverage?

Health insurance only works when healthy people pay into the system and don't use it in order to subsidize the sick.

[Grakey]

Or...and, follow me here...

A conservative website misleads people about Obamacare, claiming a very tangential interpretation as how the actual thing works.

So, yes, in this case, its kind of lying.

Let me get this straight, anything with a conservative lean to it is automatically biased and to be deemed not credible?

Care to try an be a little more specific? If you're going to declare an entire article biased, you could at least back up your claim with some evidence.

[JakeSteel]

The health insurance industry has won, they've convinced people that health insurance is "needed."

Most people think health insurance is a basic human right you're born with.

[Magpai]

I'm just glad that I live in a country where this basic human right is practically free.

I'm not sure what's dumber, calling a service at someone else's expense a basic human right, or thinking that healthcare is "free".

[KrazyK923]

Let me get this straight, anything with a conservative lean to it is automatically biased and to be deemed not credible?

Care to try an be a little more specific? If you're going to declare an entire article biased, you could at least back up your claim with some evidence.

...where did I claim anything you claim that I claim?

[Tradewind]

Let me get this straight, anything with a conservative lean to it is automatically biased and to be deemed not credible?

Care to try an be a little more specific? If you're going to declare an entire article biased, you could at least back up your claim with some evidence.

Any lean damages credibility, why do you think it's exclusive to right leaning?

[mistuhbull]

I think it's stupid that there's a "penalty" for not having insurance.

Yeah there is. It should be taken as an actual tax from everyone like intelligent nations do. But no, socialism is evil so we get this bullshit halfway piece of trash

[Tinykong]

Most people think health insurance is a basic human right you're born with.

Health insurance is a bullshit middle man, why we can't just have health care provided by our tax dollars is beyond me.

[Kulanae]

Couldn't agree more.

How is it free? That is not possible. In some way you are being taxed and it is being paid for out of said taxes.

[Csnyder]

A webpage completely formed around being a conservative new source. THAT sounds like a reliable and unbiased media outlet.

retard.

actually if you check the irs webpage you can see where these numbers came from.....from the irs
know the facts retard

[Magpai]

I have socialist healthcare paid through my income tax; tax that would go down for every dependent.

Kind of funny, considering that each rich person has their tax increase for every "dependent" they support through the government.

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Health insurance is a bullshit middle man, why we can't just have health care provided by our tax dollars is beyond me.

Yeah I really wish we could trade one middle man for another that generates the same inflation and bureaucracy.

[Csnyder]

They're not assuming anything. Its a number they're using for an example. Just the asshats and CNS being asshats.

these numbers came from the irs website, posted yestarday.......asshat

[Tinykong]

That's how all insurance works. Life insurance, car insurance, etc.

It's about low-risk people footing the bill for high-risk ones. And its intent is to keep costs low, but it's predicated on the fact that those who engaged in the market are contributing to the pool. Funny thing about health though, you can't guarantee yourself being healthy. You're always in the market, from inception to death.

I haven't been to the doctor in almost 8 years, at $200 a month that's almost $20k. I'm sure the insurance industry would have loved to have gotten a piece of that.

[Tinykong]

Yeah I really wish we could trade one middle man for another that generates the same inflation and bureaucracy.

Plenty of other countries make it work, we could too.