Lolno.
1) Cyprus
2) Turkey isn't a European country.
Originally Posted by Marjane Satrapi
As an Italian citizen (ethnic one) i utterly oppose the Turkish entry.
They struggle to separate the state from islamic extremists and they have nothing in common with Europe.
It's still too much.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFGBMQGehY0
And where are all the feminists and child rights advocates when you need them? Dropping your kid on the street?
Last edited by Cybran; 2013-02-24 at 11:23 PM.
1) Cyprus. Their occupation of it has ruined the northern half of the island, and while they still prop up their pupped government I am going to oppose any and all overtures from Turkey.
2) They are not. Turkey is highly Islamic, a faith which is not comparable to Catholicism, and has to heavily enforce the secularism that Ataturk introduced into the government. Furthermore, as they are not culturally European I don't see any reason why they should be permitted. Israel is a preferable candidate to Turkey, point of fact.
Originally Posted by Marjane Satrapi
Originally Posted by Marjane Satrapi
Cyprus is an issue as Northern Ireland was. They got that sorted they can get this one sorted too with a bit of diplomacy.
They aren't at all highly Islamic, don't know why would you say something like that? Go there try for yourself.
No Israel would be a terrible choice at its current state. No resources, small country, demanding, why bother?
We will have to disagree on that. Did you look at the video I linnked? all 3 women in it wear head covers and the kid was thrown on the street because it likely has no father and her parents want to get rid of it. Turkey is a solid 50-100 years behind europe, but trying to force it's way in with intimidation.
They have a plan to pour 10 Billion dollars in to Bosnia and use the country as a foothold for european expansion. They fund extremist muslim schools and centers. They have around 16 million Kurds that suffer in the poorest parts of the country while the money they need gets spend on neo ottomanism.
I am firmly against them joining.
I have been to Izmir and a few resort towns on the west coast (lol). The shower water was salty and some streets in Izmir smelt like carcass (prolly meat market nearby who knows).
I've been there. Furthermore, the demographics and human rights issues don't lie.
Israel would be an excellent choice for a number of reasons. For starters, it is a developed democratic republic with a stable economy. Second, it is highly Europeanised. Third, entry into the EU might help to allay their fears about invasion from Syria and Israel and make them less aggressive towards the Palestinians.
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Not really.
I visited most of the major Hellenistic and Byzantine centers owing to it being primarily historical in nature; Constantinople, Nicaea, Trebizond, Ephesus, etc.Which city?
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The 'form of Islam' that 'works' in Turkey is one that is put down by a highly oppressive secular overlay introduced after the Empire was thrown out after the Graeco-Turkish War.
Islam is a culturo-religious phenomenon that is culpable for a ream of social and political issues.
Originally Posted by Marjane Satrapi
If turkey is 50-100 years back with a GDP growth 8 times Spain, a moderate society, a strong middle class, and a government that actually look after its own country, I'd gladly go back 50-100 years myself, instead of being locked in this grim present in this bland europe that has no sustainable economic future.
Last edited by mmocea043e1e13; 2013-02-24 at 11:42 PM.
So you visited Istanbul and Izmir and concluded that Turkey is highly Islamic? And you claim Famagusta is being a dump? I will just call you are lying. You've never visited Turkey or Famagusta. At best your information depends on biased youtube videos. Guess what I am from Turkey and I live in Famagusta and your bullshit ends here.
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Izmir is a very clean City. You were just unlucky.
Last edited by Kuntantee; 2013-02-24 at 11:45 PM.
Going to istanbul and then declaring turkey is a highly Islamic country is going to make your other points extremely hard to believe man.
Edit: or sorry, i meant, costantinople. On the way to Persia if you're coming from Tracia.
Last edited by mmocea043e1e13; 2013-02-24 at 11:51 PM.