Would Mitt Romney have been a far better president?

[Spectral]

The USA is still in it's infancy when it comes to countries and already there are huge cracks starting to appear.

This is only true if you pretend that countries that have retained their name had the same government. The United States government, in its present state, is much, much older the most European governments.

[theredviola]

Better? No

Worse? Most likely.

[Orlong]

State your reasons why other than your absolute hate for Obama. Its plain to see you are a Republican, please state why Obama is terrible, I want specifics. What has he done specifically to piss you off so much?

Actually Im not a republican. Im a Libertarian if anything. To me the Republicans are too far left for me including the Tea Party. I believe the government should provide only 3 functions, provide national defense, enforce a basic set of laws such as murder, theft, assault, sex crimes and rape, and build/maintain a transportation infrastructure.

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Why is Socialism a bad thing? The happiest countries in the world are Socialist.

And with the exception of Germany, they are all going bankrupt, and Im sure Germany will be in the same boat in the not too distant future

[Bakis]

And with the exception of Germany, they are all going bankrupt, and Im sure Germany will be in the same boat in the not too distant future

You should stop right there you clearly dont know much about Europe, its countries or their economy.

[Viscoe]

I am certain, though, that this thread, with the way the OP wrote it, was meant as nothing but an incendiary thread where people fought with one another and no actual discussion occurred. I suppose, looking back at my first paragraph, mission successful.

The OP is Salandrin. Every single thread he makes is incendiary. Whenever I click a title with a completely insane premise (though to be fair this one is tame), I'm always expecting to read Salandrin as the OP. Or Jaylock.

Hopefully this is a sign he's moving out of WoW threads, though, and into other crap. I'm so tired of his shit.

OT: No. Mitt Romney was a bad choice. I'm glad Obama won, and I'm extraordinarily proud to have been one of the votes that helped him do so.

[Felya]

Yeah? I said that countries who were Communist had a Socialist economy. Not the other way around. So, we agree?

No, because you are equating the two, when even current events tell you different. In what way is it relevant to talk about communism, in what he was saying? There are far less countries with communism and socialism, than socialism governed not by communism. It makes your response completely unrelated to the person you are responding to. The reason most likely being is the right wing propaganda that latches on the word socialism, to demonize it, even where it doesn't belong.

You seem to think that all countries who have a socialist style economy are 100% socialist, they aren't. Just like the US isn't 100% free-market capitalism, although people like to say we are.

No, I am not saying that at all. What I am saying, is associating communism with socialism in the person you are responding to, is absolutely wrong. It's an example of demonizing socialism, on the back of McCarthyism.

I'm not saying that at all. You need to understand that Socialism (in this aspect) is purely economic. I said it's the economic equivalent. I did not say they are the same. An economic policy is not the same as a style of government.

Your response simply had nothing to do with the person responding? You simply went off on seeing socialism? He is talking about the economic policy, regardless of government. Even in government, nothing in communism involves spying on it's people. The part that involves spying on it's people in Cuba, Russia, Korea and China, are examples of totalitarian rule, not communism.

[Buckwald]

This is only true if you pretend that countries that have retained their name had the same government. The United States government, in its present state, is much, much older the most European governments.

Sweden, Denmark, Norway, Finland, Switzerland (just to name a few) have progressed a lot further in there government systems than the US. The US isn't nearly as old as the European core countries.

[Deleted]

I don't think things would've been all that different.

[Deleted]

Actually Im not a republican. Im a Libertarian if anything. To me the Republicans are too far left for me including the Tea Party. I believe the government should provide only 3 functions, provide national defense, enforce a basic set of laws such as murder, theft, assault, sex crimes and rape, and build/maintain a transportation infrastructure.

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And with the exception of Germany, they are all going bankrupt, and Im sure Germany will be in the same boat in the not too distant future

And the USA isn't?

[Buckwald]

Your response simply had nothing to do with the person responding? You simply went off on seeing socialism? He is talking about the economic policy, regardless of government. Even in government, nothing in communism involves spying on it's people. The part that involves spying on it's people in Cuba, Russia, Korea and China, are examples of totalitarian rule, not communism.

I never said a communist government DOES spy on it's people. I said if it wanted to it could with out passing an act. Why? Because the government controls everything in Communism.

[smelltheglove]

(Ryan even makes it a point to 'strongly encourage' everyone who works for him to read Atlas Shrugged and makes Christmas gifts of it).

by itself not terribly shocking, plenty take a pretty narcissistic view of how things should be run, but throw in his religious baggage and it was like WTF?!?

[Dezerte]

And with the exception of Germany, they are all going bankrupt, and Im sure Germany will be in the same boat in the not too distant future

Yeah, no.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_model

[Zogarth]

From a europeans view: No.
Obama at least seems for more than half of the country, and not just the 1%.

[Orlong]

You should stop right there you clearly dont know much about Europe, its countries or their economy.

Really? Then why has Greece needed at least 2 bailouts and still refuses to cut spending, Cyprus is now going to be taking 25% of money from bank accounts to stay afloat, Spain and Portugal are both close to bankrupcy etc..

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Yeah, no.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_model

I dont consider Nordic countries part of Europe, they are Scandanavia

[Spectral]

Sweden, Denmark, Norway, Finland, Switzerland (just to name a few) have progressed a lot further in there government systems than the US. The US isn't nearly as old as the European core countries.

To the best of my knowledge, none of those have had the unbroken run of basic governmental structure that the United States has had. If you look at where each was in 1787, you'll find that the American system is much more similar to what it was then than any of those nations. The idea that the American system is in its infancy is pretty nonsensical, unless someone's really going to insist that countries that hadn't shed monarchy as their primary governing force are the same as their modern republics.

[Buckwald]

Really? Then why has Greece needed at least 2 bailouts and still refuses to cut spending, Cyprus is now going to be taking 25% of money from bank accounts to stay afloat, Spain and Portugal are both close to bankrupcy etc..

Don't forget Ireland need a bailout and countries like Romania have little economic power and are more of a geo-political partner in the EU

I dont consider Nordic countries part of Europe, they are Scandanavia

You should. Only country out of the Scandinavian countries that isn't in the EU is Norway.

[Spectral]

Really? Then why has Greece needed at least 2 bailouts and still refuses to cut spending, Cyprus is now going to be taking 25% of money from bank accounts to stay afloat, Spain and Portugal are both close to bankrupcy etc..

You're emphasizing his point that you don't know much about Europe rather than refuting it. The issues in each of those countries is wildly different - Greece is corruption and fiscal profligacy, Cyprus is a bloated banking sector, Spain is change in capital flow and a crushed real estate market. None of those portend anything at all for Germany and other core European countries.

[Bakis]

Really? Then why has Greece needed at least 2 bailouts and still refuses to cut spending, Cyprus is now going to be taking 25% of money from bank accounts to stay afloat, Spain and Portugal are both close to bankrupcy etc..

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I dont consider Nordic countries part of Europe, they are Scandanavia

See, as I said you got no clue of Europe

[Buckwald]

To the best of my knowledge, none of those have had the unbroken run of basic governmental structure that the United States has had. If you look at where each was in 1787, you'll find that the American system is much more similar to what it was then than any of those nations. The idea that the American system is in its infancy is pretty nonsensical, unless someone's really going to insist that countries that hadn't shed monarchy as their primary governing force are the same as their modern republics.

Most countries had a Parliament, that is correct, but they still had a monarch who was still pretty much the end-all-be-all of the government. Europe was the first to try the nation-state model, which is has since abandoned. But, the countries have been established (politically, economically and geographically) a lot longer than the US.

[Solzan Nemesis]

I'm fairly certain it was not due to voting (obviously), that Obama got re-elected, but through shady media manipulation, but what's done is done.

/tinfoilhat