Next Expansion = Xoroth? Tichondrius as villain?

[Deleted]

I am certain that the next expansion will be Legion-themed but I don't think we're ready to go to Argus yet. Perhaps the Legion stages their assault from Xoroth under the command of Tichondrius? We go to Xoroth to finally kill the Nathrezim who we couldn't kill on Azeroth (because they need to be killed in the Twisting Nether, right?). Other villains could include Balnazzar, Varimathras and Anatheron; plus multiple other demonic villains.

It could have the same eco-diversity as Outland, neutral playable Etheral (who had fled to the planet when Dimensius , Demon Hunter class and the return of Illidan. Maybe with Illidan's return, Maiev is on the hunt again, except this time we're against her. And maybe Xoroth is the world where Alleria and Turalyon are holed up?

What do you guys think?

[Frozenbeef]

Wouldn't that be a downgrade though considering the final boss of tbc was K'J and dread lords are beneath him on the power scale? :P Also isn't K'J still alive and well?

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Wouldn't that be a downgrade though considering the final boss of tbc was K'J and dread lords are beneath him on the power scale? :P Also isn't K'J still alive and well?

Eh, WoW doesn't really go by the whole "Level = Power" thing. But to be fair, when we fought KJ in TBC, he wasn't even fully in Azeroth. If he was successfully summoned we'd have been screwed.

[Deleted]

Wouldn't that be a downgrade though considering the final boss of tbc was K'J and dread lords are beneath him on the power scale? :P Also isn't K'J still alive and well?

I don't know about demon hierarchy, but couldn't it be possible that after KJ's defeat he lost some of his influence and dread lords became more powerful? Again, I don't know much about how demons work.

[Frozenbeef]

I didn't mean in term of levels, i meant K'J is the hand of sargeras where as dreadlords are just underlings so it wouldn't really make sense to have dreadlords as the final boss.

I do want an expansions way from azeroth and a burning legion focused one would be lovely, but i'm a bit hesitant as would people just see it as lazy, people whine about redoing za/zg imagine a whole expansion theme >.<

[Deleted]

I didn't mean in term of levels, i meant K'J is literally the hand of sargeras where as dreadlords are just underlings so it wouldn't really make sense to have dreadlords as the final boss.

I do want an expansions way from azeroth and a burning legion focused one would be lovely, but i'm a bit hesitant as would people just see it as lazy, people whine about redoing za/zg imagine a whole expansion theme >.<

Well Dreadlords aren't "just underlings" haha. They are the highest in the Burning Legion under only KJ and Sargeras (some eredar may be higher though). KJ wasn't fully summoned to Azeroth when we fought him so he was probably only at like a quarter of his power. A Nathrezim in the Twisting Nether would probably be just as strong if not stronger than KJ was at SW.

@troll They couldn't replace Kil'Jaeden, Sargeras would get all mad that his chosen one was being bullied.

[Frozenbeef]

You also have the pitlords which are stronger than dreadlords.

[toomes211]

There was a big discussion about this in BC. Essentially in sunwell, KJ was using all of his power to remain tethered on azeroth, using less than 1%(could -easily- be wrong on this %, just guessing based on memory) of his total power to engage the players. Kind of like when you fight yogg, you're only fighting one head of yogg, not the entire body, and he's only using a miniscule amount of his power.

Essentially what the PC's do is kick him in the shin hard enough that he loses focus and falls back to the twisting nether, and then Velen and Azuregos seal the portal, so he can't try again.

[bufferunderrun]

Why are you so sure about next xpack be about the Burning legion? Azshara still running around at the bottom of the sea near what remain of the well of eternity ,to me this seem a major threat biggest than some half assed BL invasion.

[Grim32]

Why are you so sure about next xpack be about the Burning legion? Azshara still running around at the bottom of the sea near what remain of the well of eternity ,to me this seem a major threat biggest than some half assed BL invasion.

I believe the scars of Vashjir are too fresh for people to want a under-water themed location any time soon.

-Grim

[grisset]

You also have the pitlords which are stronger than dreadlords.

Physically, yes. Pit Lords are like the Generals of the Legion's armies. Dreadlords are the schemers that put the Legion's plans in motion. If you watch Game of Thrones, Tyrion and Varys would be Dreadlords, Jamie would be a Pit Lord.

[Falrinn]

While both Argus and Xoroth are possible, I'm thinking Argus is more likely.

We actually know very little about Xoroth. It's long been assumed that it was the native world of the Dreadlords, but that was never explicitly confirmed. Recently the green fire questline has casted doubt on this interpretation by indicating the inhabitants of Xoroth were intimidated into joining the Legion, which wouldn't make sense in the case of the Dreadlords.

As it stands the only meaningful information we have is that the Legion controls the world, which isn't much to go on.


Argus on the other hand is a little different. We know the Eredar and Draenei originated from there, giving us an insight into what we might find. We also know the names of a few locations on the world, most notably the city of Mac'Aree. And as Kil'jaeden's hometown it just has the potential to be that much more awesome.

[Florena]

I wouldn't mind Xoroth, though I'm not entirely sure Tich can hold his own as an expansion villain. End boss of a raid tier, sure, but not sure he could sell end of expansion. He would definitely need a power boost since Illidan killed him after going demon.

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Physically, yes. Pit Lords are like the Generals of the Legion's armies. Dreadlords are the schemers that put the Legion's plans in motion. If you watch Game of Thrones, Tyrion and Varys would be Dreadlords, Jamie would be a Pit Lord.

The way I see it, Pit Lords are stronger physically and good for front line battles, but the dreadlords have more powerful magic and are more manipulative, so saying which is stronger might depend a bit. Sort of a warrior vs mage thing going on here.

[Deleted]

Not sure if you're aware, but Tichondrius is dead.
The "dread lords cannot die" logic doesn't apply to him, because he was killed by a DEMON HUNTER.

[Wazooty]

Why are you so sure about next xpack be about the Burning legion? Azshara still running around at the bottom of the sea near what remain of the well of eternity ,to me this seem a major threat biggest than some half assed BL invasion.

Considering azshara had extremely strong links to the legion, I don't see why the two would even be in separate expansions.

IMO, there's not enough naga stuff to make a whole expansion on. It would get old extremely quickly. Considering we killed so many naga throughout the previous expacs.

There's all sorts of potential with the legion. Considering they go to planets and basically enslave the races they encounter.

[Oppressionix805]

maybe, also mal'ganis is back there in his homeworld again, but it seems like he is more on a grudge against the lich king and not azeroth itself, since the lich king betrayed him and he has yet to have his true revenge

[Immitis]

Wouldn't that be a downgrade though considering the final boss of tbc was K'J and dread lords are beneath him on the power scale? :P Also isn't K'J still alive and well?

while this is true, dreadlords unlike eredar can only be killed on their home planet of xoroth, kill them anywhere else and they simply go home and regenerate, normal demons can die anywhere as long as they are fully summoned (most demons come through avatars because its much faster and easier) so taking out the nathrezim first would be a good plan, also whos to say we just get up and say "lets go to argus" argus is the legions main headquarters i highly doubt we could just walk in there. so starting off in a slightly lower planet would make alot more sense then going straight to argus.

xoroth could also have some awesome stuff on it, the dreadsteads come from there, necromancy comes from there, it would be like wrath of the lich king demon version.

ive been saying we should go to xoroth for a long time

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Not sure if you're aware, but Tichondrius is dead.
The "dread lords cannot die" logic doesn't apply to him, because he was killed by a DEMON HUNTER.

thats not how it works. demon hunters killing a demon has nothing to do with whether they stay dead or not. regular demons can be killed anywhere if summoned fully, dreadlords NOMATTER WHAT cannot die unless killed on their homeplanet. why? we dont know for sure but thats the lore of dreadlords/nathrezim

[illander]

Honestly I don't believe they'll do a Xoroth expansion if they ever will do an Argus one. Just think about all the wining, whole 3 expansions based of the Burning Legion?

[Aberration]

Eh, WoW doesn't really go by the whole "Level = Power" thing. But to be fair, when we fought KJ in TBC, he wasn't even fully in Azeroth. If he was successfully summoned we'd have been screwed.

Let's say Kil'Jaedan was at 1/10 of his power in TBC.

(rounded up) 12million life. Raid Finder bosses have 300-500million life now. If Kil'Jaedan was at full power he would have 120 million.

People who fight now are more powerful. Numbers don't lie.

[Noujou]

i still want to have demon hunters as a class, and them introduce a new weapon type called glaive :P (or just maybe do what they did with illidan's glaives :P)

but thats just me