askmrrobot a good site?

[Onslaught49]

just tried it with my arms warrior and it put me slightly under hit cap, is this ok? also wondering if its stat weights were right as atm it has crit 1.8 and mastery 1.55 with haste 1.45, this sound right? my character is called malfes on kazzak eu incase you wanted to check it yourself

[Deleted]

If you don't know any better than the result it gives, its ok I guess = s If you know better you can usually get much better results than what it gives

[valax]

just tried it with my arms warrior and it put me slightly under hit cap, is this ok? also wondering if its stat weights were right as atm it has crit 1.8 and mastery 1.55 with haste 1.45, this sound right? my character is called malfes on kazzak eu incase you wanted to check it yourself

mr robot explains why it puts under the cap if u click on the warning at the side of your screen

[Noctus78]

I personally prefer it over other tools (but i know many on this site don't)

If you use the unedited weight stats you will get a very decent result.
You can check your own weight stats with simulation craft and add those for a more personal result (goes for other tools as well i think).


So far whenever i had a question, the authors behind AMR were very quick to respond and help in great length.
And they are updating very regularly.


Ps. if you look for updates for your gear using AMR, be sure to check the box "relative" (and thus uncheck absolute). This will show the best upgrades in regards to your current gear

[Darkfriend]

It's bad in its unaltered state. It's ok if you set custom stat weights. But if you know how do to that already, you don't need Mr. Robot. So, I'd say no, it's not any good.

[Zoopercat]

Hey, I'm from Ask Mr. Robot. The site does all of the math for you - it figures out if socket bonuses are worth it, what the best reforge combinations are, etc. I'd like to challenge what Darkfriend said - that if you know your class you can do everything yourself. If you take reforges only, and assume there are 3 possible smart reforges for 16 gear slots... that's 3^16, which is 43 million combinations of reforges. That's too many for us regular ol' humans to slog through. That's why sites like Ask Mr. Robot and addons like reforgelite are so popular (and helpful!).

We've updated our stat weights for 5.2, but I've been watching the forums and chatting with some theorycrafters to make sure our stat weights are in line with their theorycrafting. I was chatting with Rhia this weekend and she had this to say about our current stat weights:

The ratio of haste:mastery:crit:hit seems reasonable, but strength should only be 10-15% more powerful than crit rather than 27%.

So we're going to look into that.

Here's another thread where someone was asking about crit, hit and a few other stats. I replied to the OP with a little math to show why Mr. Robot picked what he did, and why he was right - it's really simple math, I wouldn't link you something complicated on a Monday, that would just be MEAN! haha.

Now of course you can edit the stat weights if you sim your character, and get a solution suggested for those weights. If you need help entering the custom weights, tell me what you want them to be and I can give you a link to your character with your new custom weights

[kakihara]

It is much faster to use simcraft for stat weights and just use the add on reforgelite. Especially on the fly reforging with a yak is extremly fast and easy. The only downside is that you have to choose your gems manually. But it mostly is just crit everywhere and so some math if the socket bonus is really good.

[Senen]

it figures out what the best reforge combinations are

It claims to do so. I didn't try it during MoP, but during Cataclysm it didn't.
For reforge optimization (and only that), WowReforge was way better. With the same stat weight, it provided better reforge choices, I usually had ~30 points overcap or undercap with AMR when WowReforge proposed me several reforges with less than 3 points overcap or undercap.
It may have changed since Cataclysm, I grant you that. I'll try it again to see how it improved.

[Deleted]

It claims to do so. I didn't try it during MoP, but during Cataclysm it didn't.
For reforge optimization (and only that), WowReforge was way better. With the same stat weight, it provided better reforge choices, I usually had ~30 points overcap or undercap with AMR when WowReforge proposed me several reforges with less than 3 points overcap or undercap.
It may have changed since Cataclysm, I grant you that. I'll try it again to see how it improved.

It doesn't reach perfect reforge yet. I reckon that it's because it takes into account gemming and enchants, and the possible combinations get out of hand, but since one of the members is around here, he may enlighten us. Personally, I gem on my own, reforge and then ask for an optimization. If it an be improved with a gem I dont usually use, it will normally catch it. But putting several ungemmed pieces on sometimes lead to non-optimal solutions.

[Tastyfish]

I Like it. My major issue rite now is having to plug in my next haste breakpoint for my MW, other then that i think its fine out of the box, and offers so much tweaking on the users part that its tops.

[TaurenNinja]

as with anything in life, never trust a single source.

go out and explore a variety of websites, do your own research as well if you are REALLY interested. see what things add up and what makes sense, but most importantly what works best for you.

go ready icy-veins and noxxic's account of what a brewmaster monk should be doing with their items. then go read the elitistjerks thread. yeah, never blindly trust a single website.

This.

icy-veins, elitistjerks and noxxic are good, but sometimes they make some slip-ups, or are not up to date for the latest hotfixes yet.
You should also check out armory of known top players, to see what they use (but in this case, you have to keep in mind that they might have made a gearing choice for a very specific fight only).
The truth lies somewhere in the middle from that, you will know what makes the most sense when you take all these sources into account.

[Simca]

It's one of the best tools for optimizing gear (though there are slight improvements you can make after it optimizes in areas like reforging), but the default stat weights can sometimes be lacking for certain classes or specs (though they're a lot better now).

I personally use a lot for comparing gear upgrades, since the small inaccuracies in reforging would only very rarely change whether or not a piece of gear would be an upgrade (like if two pieces of gear were within 2 points of each other).

I'm not sure how much those inaccuracies would affect its overall "BiS profile" because that -entire set of gear- is calculated, which introduces a ton more room for error (when the calculations are cut short), so I primarily view upgrades piece by piece.

[Deleted]

ive used it numerous times and followed what said and had different stats in game to what that said, sometimes considerable differences, maybe i need edit stat weights not sure lol

[Ragethorn]

If you haven't tried it yet, look up wowreforge.com. You import your toon, adjust the stats for any gear that's been upgraded, plug in your stat weights and then hit calculate. If you're satisfied with the results, you can click on the summary button, copy the reforges and plug them into the ingame add on called Reforgerade. It will do the work for you. Best thing about wowreforge, you can reset the results and try different combination of gems until you find the results you like.

Forgot to mention, wowreforge makes using secondary stat breakpoints much more user friendly. IE, my BrM wants 7.5% hit, 15% exp, haste until 4500, then the rest into mastery.

[jason1975]

It's the most amazing tool out there right now. Its tools are designed both for the average player as well as even hardcore raiders.

If you don't know any better, using their stat weights is an extremely good place to start. If you know how to get your own stat weights, you can use the customizer.

I forked over the $12 and became a premium member. The "best in bags" feature is amazing for hybrids, and being able to "lock" reforge/gems on a piece of gear will let you see if it's better for your OS than another piece you pick up (this is great for 10 m especially, where you'll always have one tank who needs to dps on some bosses and one healer who will need to dps on some bosses). Once you get the hang of it, you'll see how powerful it is. The "look for upgrades" feature is also very powerful, because it weighs the gear relative to your existing gear, which takes into account things like hit/exp caps. Much better than an "absolute" valuation list people often come up with.

@ all the ppl commenting on the default Stat Weights: If you don't like them, then change them using the "custom weights" tool. If you read their description of how they come up with the weights, it's pretty amazing how much work they do and how much outreach to the theorycrafting community they do.

[Darkfriend]

It's the most amazing tool out there right now. Its tools are designed both for the average player as well as even hardcore raiders.

If you don't know any better, using their stat weights is an extremely good place to start. If you know how to get your own stat weights, you can use the customizer.

I forked over the $12 and became a premium member. The "best in bags" feature is amazing for hybrids, and being able to "lock" reforge/gems on a piece of gear will let you see if it's better for your OS than another piece you pick up (this is great for 10 m especially, where you'll always have one tank who needs to dps on some bosses and one healer who will need to dps on some bosses). Once you get the hang of it, you'll see how powerful it is. The "look for upgrades" feature is also very powerful, because it weighs the gear relative to your existing gear, which takes into account things like hit/exp caps. Much better than an "absolute" valuation list people often come up with.

@ all the ppl commenting on the default Stat Weights: If you don't like them, then change them using the "custom weights" tool. If you read their description of how they come up with the weights, it's pretty amazing how much work they do and how much outreach to the theorycrafting community they do.

This is not only false, but blatantly false. It's stat weights are incredibly inaccurate out of the box. It's SEP for crit is incredibly low- around .75 SEP per crit instead of the between .9-1.1 it should be. It's gemming scheme is poor as a result, since the devaluation of crit means that AMR shows socket bonuses being worth meeting when often they are not.

With custom stat weights its average- it's not better than wowreforge, and personally I've had good luck simply using wowreforgelite (at higher gear levels, where almost everything has crit, it's much more accurate than with starter gear).

As a result of these flaws, it also has poor and inaccurate BiS lists. I can see several flaws just looking at it right now. (Trinket and bracers).

Honestly, you're far better off NOT using askmrrobot if you don't know where it is inaccurate, just like you're better off using simcraft when you know it's inaccuracies for warriors and how to make up the difference.

@Jason...They are bad theorycrafters. They don't know what they are doing is the problem. Their trinket blog only shows this.

[jason1975]

This is not only false, but blatantly false. It's stat weights are incredibly inaccurate out of the box. It's SEP for crit is incredibly low- around .75 SEP per crit instead of the between .9-1.1 it should be. It's gemming scheme is poor as a result, since the devaluation of crit means that AMR shows socket bonuses being worth meeting when often they are not.

With custom stat weights its average- it's not better than wowreforge, and personally I've had good luck simply using wowreforgelite (at higher gear levels, where almost everything has crit, it's much more accurate than with starter gear).

So did you read the part where I wrote that if you disagree with the stat weights, you should just change them? AMR is a tool. The stat weights they provide are very good for most players, but again IF YOU DISAGREE WITH THEM THEN CHANGE THE WEIGHTS. It's like saying "hey, I've got this great ratchet set" and you replying "well it's got the 3/4-inch socket on it, and I want a 1/2-inch socket . . . so your ratchet sucks". To which I reply, "Um, change out the socket to the one you want, the ratchet is fine."

As a result of these flaws, it also has poor and inaccurate BiS lists. I can see several flaws just looking at it right now. (Trinket and bracers).

Honestly, you're far better off NOT using askmrrobot if you don't know where it is inaccurate, just like you're better off using simcraft when you know it's inaccuracies for warriors and how to make up the difference.

@Jason...They are bad theorycrafters. They don't know what they are doing is the problem. Their trinket blog only shows this.

You realize the gear evaluators change with your stat weights right? Also, telling people to not use anything if they don't know what they're doing isn't really a very good response. At least provide an alternative.

[Darkfriend]

So did you read the part where I wrote that if you disagree with the stat weights, you should just change them? AMR is a tool. The stat weights they provide are very good for most players, but again IF YOU DISAGREE WITH THEM THEN CHANGE THE WEIGHTS. It's like saying "hey, I've got this great ratchet set" and you replying "well it's got the 3/4-inch socket on it, and I want a 1/2-inch socket . . . so your ratchet sucks". To which I reply, "Um, change out the socket to the one you want, the ratchet is fine."



You realize the gear evaluators change with your stat weights right? Also, telling people to not use anything if they don't know what they're doing isn't really a very good response. At least provide an alternative.

Anyone who is decent enough to know how to use simcraft doesn't need to use AMR anyway, not only because they are good enough to NOT need AMR to say which gems to use, but for reforging because wowreforge is much better.

And any tool that requires more knowledge to use than work it saves is simply not worth using.

AMR is a bad site. And my advice is to take MY advice over any that AMR gives- I have a proven record whereas AMR is known for being bad.

[Simca]

Some questionable advice/opinions in this thread.

This is not only false, but blatantly false. It's stat weights are incredibly inaccurate out of the box. It's SEP for crit is incredibly low- around .75 SEP per crit instead of the between .9-1.1 it should be. It's gemming scheme is poor as a result, since the devaluation of crit means that AMR shows socket bonuses being worth meeting when often they are not.

With custom stat weights its average- it's not better than wowreforge, and personally I've had good luck simply using wowreforgelite (at higher gear levels, where almost everything has crit, it's much more accurate than with starter gear).

As a result of these flaws, it also has poor and inaccurate BiS lists. I can see several flaws just looking at it right now. (Trinket and bracers).

Honestly, you're far better off NOT using askmrrobot if you don't know where it is inaccurate, just like you're better off using simcraft when you know it's inaccuracies for warriors and how to make up the difference.

@Jason...They are bad theorycrafters. They don't know what they are doing is the problem. Their trinket blog only shows this.

AMR is far, far faster than SimulationCraft. I personally run SimulationCraft for my weights with 10000+ repetitions and then use those values for AMR. This allows me to look at Valor upgrades and make tons of gear comparisons within SECONDS whereas I'd have to wait many many minutes for multiple SimulationCraft runs.

Do you never compare gear? You don't account for this scenario -at all- when this is the primary use for the site.

Are you talking about a BiS list generated with custom stats? I am actually curious about AMR's performance in terms of generating BiS lists based on custom stats because I'm not sure whether or not its small reforging inaccuracies will cause problems in the list generation or whether it will end up not mattering.

From my experience, they are quite willing to listen to users about problems with the site. If you have a problem with their trinket evaluations, I assure you they will at least listen. One of the devs even PM'd me on MMO-Champion to talk about some feedback I had about the site.

Anyone who is decent enough to know how to use simcraft doesn't need to use AMR anyway, not only because they are good enough to NOT need AMR to say which gems to use, but for reforging because wowreforge is much better.

And any tool that requires more knowledge to use than work it saves is simply not worth using.

AMR is a bad site. And my advice is to take MY advice over any that AMR gives- I have a proven record whereas AMR is known for being bad.

1. You're right, for reforging, wowreforge.com is slightly superior. The difference between the two is less than 10 DPS in almost every possible scenario, but it is still better.
2. You are a single person on a forum with knowledge covering a handful of specs at best. AMR at least gets semi-accurate stats (your nitpick on Crit is actually quite a small deviation in terms of real-world DPS) for all specs.
3. Calling it a "bad site" is just flat-out wrong. Not sure why you seem to have lowered your opinion of the site in between your first and second posts, but the 10 DPS you can gain from wowreforge does not make AMR a "bad site", especially because it does not affect direct gear comparisons (reforging's scope is too small to make or break upgrade comparisons).

The #1 thing I'd want from AMR is a pay version/app that increases accuracy from whatever it is (say 99%) to something even higher (say 99.9999%). This may triple (or more) calculation time, but as long as it is measured in seconds and not minutes, I'm not certainly not opposed to waiting. AMR doesn't need to perform calculations on every click or change like it does currently - I often want to change multiple things at once, so they could just add a "Calculate" button.

[Noctus78]

A quick question in regard to adding your own stat weights be it in AMR or wowreforge.

How do you actually find the optimal values for your character that you can put into those sites?

I understand how to get my current statweights using simulationcraft. But those are based on my current reforges/gems/enchants and shouldnt be simply put in 1 of those sites I read. Everywhere i search i either get guides on how to sim your current weights or that it is wrong to use those. but i cant find or understand where i can find the values i can use on either AMR or wowreforge.

I was thinking i perhaps should just edit my toon before simulating to have no reforges and gems (enchants are pretty much standard i guess)? Or is there another/better method, or am i missing the obvious.


ps. gave wowreforge a try. it seems a bit less user-friendly in my opinion but thats perhaps just getting used to it.
I did encounter the fact that it doesn't count in that im an Orc with axe racial. So i have to edit the rating to whatever puts me on 6.5% exp. also weird was where wowreforge said i was on 2554 exp rating, ingame i was on 2607. relogged a few times and reloaded my char in wowreforge. but it didnt come to a match.