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no.... do you even know what sargeras goal is? he wants to destory the universe and return it to chaos.
he WANTS the corruption to perpetuate, he believes that the titans are wrong and that chaos is the universes true nature and that trying to force it to divert from that is blasphemy.
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thats essentially what he wants
"I was a normal baby for 30 seconds, then ninjas stole my mamma" - Deadpool
"so what do we do?" "well jack, you stand there and say 'gee rocket raccoon I'm so glad you brought that Unfeasibly large cannon with you..' and i go like this BRAKKA BRAKKA BRAKKA" - Rocket Raccoon
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His ultimate goal is to cause the universe to collapse on itself, meaning bye-bye... everything. No burning legion, no nothing.
And then finally the Universe will be alright, because it doesn't exist... or something like that.
No one ever claimed Sargeras was on his rocker.
We've never had any sort of presentation about how the fights went down. All we know is that the old gods got curb stomped, and the titans came away fairly unharmed.
“Do not lose time on daily trivialities. Do not dwell on petty detail. For all of these things melt away and drift apart within the obscure traffic of time. Live well and live broadly. You are alive and living now. Now is the envy of all of the dead.” ~ Emily3, World of Tomorrow
Words to live by.
also to further prove my point that sargeras isnt as strong as you think, had archimonde absorbed the power of the world tree he wouldve been stronger than sargeras this has been confirmed as a fact.
if the titans can create the well of eternity and a tree that has soaked up the power of a mere remnant of the original well and that tree plus archimonde would make him stronger than sargeras? then of course sargeras isnt stronger than all of the titans combined.
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its still a bit unclear, in some stories it just says he wants to return it to chaos in others it says he wants to destroy everything.
"I was a normal baby for 30 seconds, then ninjas stole my mamma" - Deadpool
"so what do we do?" "well jack, you stand there and say 'gee rocket raccoon I'm so glad you brought that Unfeasibly large cannon with you..' and i go like this BRAKKA BRAKKA BRAKKA" - Rocket Raccoon
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“Do not lose time on daily trivialities. Do not dwell on petty detail. For all of these things melt away and drift apart within the obscure traffic of time. Live well and live broadly. You are alive and living now. Now is the envy of all of the dead.” ~ Emily3, World of Tomorrow
Words to live by.
Saurfang can tear him to pieces. Even his brother, Broxx wounded him. Why do you think he hasn't been seen since then?
"I was a normal baby for 30 seconds, then ninjas stole my mamma" - Deadpool
"so what do we do?" "well jack, you stand there and say 'gee rocket raccoon I'm so glad you brought that Unfeasibly large cannon with you..' and i go like this BRAKKA BRAKKA BRAKKA" - Rocket Raccoon
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1) That is a silly statement. Having a centralized power is more efficient than letting the races run rampant.
2) He didn't want to return it to chaos, he wanted to end the chaos via annihilating all life.
3) It has never been stated that he had a vendetta against the Titans, in fact it seems that the Titans are more concerned about him than he is about them from the way Metzen talks about them.
4) No proof of this means your point is moot and has no bearing. You do not imprison that which you can destroy without good reason, which no good reason has yet to be concretely given. It is assumed by most that the Titans could not kill them.
5) Your logic continues to be folly and poorly thought out.
6) The only thing that has been confirmed prior to MoP was that the Titans imprisoned the Old Gods who cursed their creations with the Curse of Flesh. Your argument would be convincing had Algalon not openly said that the Makers, the Titans, would have no problem re-originating the planet, effectively killing all life.
7) That old theory has been around since TBC and has never been substantiated.
8) This is assumed, but it is also known that the Dread Lords have a sibling race which has not been shown in game yet, you can find them on any WoW wiki if you look in related articles. We, also, do not know enough about the Burning Legion to say whether all Demon races die like mortals. Claiming so would be folly.
9) Only Sargeras' avatar has ever been mentioned coming to Azeroth. Every other Demon uses a herald, at most.
10) When you kill an Avatar, the spirit in the Avatar does what it was meant to. You are thinking of Sargeras' avatar. The only one seen to date, which was sent to die and corrupt Medivh.
11) No, Archimonde is most likely permanently dead because he was not born a Demon. Even then, it is speculation.
12) No, the lore was that they could only die if killed by another Dread Lord, which has obviously been a lie since the Dread Lords that Varimathras killed are coming back; see Scarlet Commander.
13) To continue with my witty sarcasm, you are the epitome of well thought out ideas. Why would these Demons be weak, per say?
14) Demons are not known to only be strong in hoards. See Mannoroth, Archimonde and Kil'jaeden, for instance. Hell, look at their races. The Pit Lords and Eredar are both powerful races who spawn entities as strong or more powerful than most mortal heroes.
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Yes, but what is there for them to corrupt to continue spawning more? Would it not be trivial for him to annihilate the now contained problem?
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I don't think you even know what the lore is, man. Everything you have stated has either been miss-quoted, applied incorrectly, or wrong.
Deathknight's do it using disease, blood and the power of the unholy. Warlocks do it with dark demons by their side. Mages do it with summoned arcane powers. Druids do it using the forces of nature. Rogues do it through stealth, poison's, shadows and....from behind. Paladins do it by calling to the light for aid. Shamans do it with the help of the elements. Priests do it through the holy light.
But warriors....
Warriors just fucking do it.
"I was a normal baby for 30 seconds, then ninjas stole my mamma" - Deadpool
"so what do we do?" "well jack, you stand there and say 'gee rocket raccoon I'm so glad you brought that Unfeasibly large cannon with you..' and i go like this BRAKKA BRAKKA BRAKKA" - Rocket Raccoon
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That isn't even a thing. No one from Blizzard or any lore has ever said that Archimonde would be more powerful than Sargeras. If the tree had this power, Kil'jaeden would have had first dibs, being the Legions current commander with Sargeras being MIA.
There is also no story saying that he wants chaos. Just the end of everything.
Deathknight's do it using disease, blood and the power of the unholy. Warlocks do it with dark demons by their side. Mages do it with summoned arcane powers. Druids do it using the forces of nature. Rogues do it through stealth, poison's, shadows and....from behind. Paladins do it by calling to the light for aid. Shamans do it with the help of the elements. Priests do it through the holy light.
But warriors....
Warriors just fucking do it.
The titans can kill old gods. They killed Y'shaarj dead.
The titans saw re-originating Azeroth as a last resort; specifically if its continued existence threatened other planets; i.e, the Burning Legion had taken it over and were using it as a hub, or the Old gods had completely regained control.6) The only thing that has been confirmed prior to MoP was that the Titans imprisoned the Old Gods who cursed their creations with the Curse of Flesh. Your argument would be convincing had Algalon not openly said that the Makers, the Titans, would have no problem re-originating the planet, effectively killing all life.
If you're referring to the "old gods tainting a planet upon death," it has been substantiated. Look at the sha.7) That old theory has been around since TBC and has never been substantiated.
“Do not lose time on daily trivialities. Do not dwell on petty detail. For all of these things melt away and drift apart within the obscure traffic of time. Live well and live broadly. You are alive and living now. Now is the envy of all of the dead.” ~ Emily3, World of Tomorrow
Words to live by.
Deathknight's do it using disease, blood and the power of the unholy. Warlocks do it with dark demons by their side. Mages do it with summoned arcane powers. Druids do it using the forces of nature. Rogues do it through stealth, poison's, shadows and....from behind. Paladins do it by calling to the light for aid. Shamans do it with the help of the elements. Priests do it through the holy light.
But warriors....
Warriors just fucking do it.
Dont forget that the deamons are creatures of the twisting nether, that precedes the Titans's universe. So when the universe is destroyed, they will went back to the twisting nether, which seems to be Sargeras's goal. Titans are also creatures originating from the twisting nether. They are just powerful enough to create their own universe, and caring enought to try to preserve it. Although why they are missing from so many millenias while Sargeras decimates their creation is unknown.
Is there something more powerful than Sargeras? Surely there is. Somewhere in the twisting nether something created the titans in the first place, because this is how things work. Bring it to Azeroth? Bad idea, 'cause no player will take any pleasure in killing something he doesn't know of. Make Sargeras the ultimate boss in WoW, bring him to us so that we can kill him and then move on to the next project .
"I was a normal baby for 30 seconds, then ninjas stole my mamma" - Deadpool
"so what do we do?" "well jack, you stand there and say 'gee rocket raccoon I'm so glad you brought that Unfeasibly large cannon with you..' and i go like this BRAKKA BRAKKA BRAKKA" - Rocket Raccoon
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1) It is assumed that he is dead, keep in mind that C'thun was also "dead" as far as the Titans were concerned.
2) Re-origination was still an option, that's the problem. The Old Gods are an immediate threat, and the Legion did not even know that Azeroth existed at the time of the Old Gods. Hell, Sargeras didn't even know.
3) The Sha are spawned by the emotions of people who live on the land. The emotions they were not blessed with from the Titans. Their corruption is caused by the strife of the "lesser races," like humans and orcs. The Old Gods, themselves, are not directly in control.
4) Was there not also supposed connections between the Burning Legion and the Sha? I know the Old Gods had connections with the Mantid, but I think that there was something about the Mogu and the Legion.
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I do.
Deathknight's do it using disease, blood and the power of the unholy. Warlocks do it with dark demons by their side. Mages do it with summoned arcane powers. Druids do it using the forces of nature. Rogues do it through stealth, poison's, shadows and....from behind. Paladins do it by calling to the light for aid. Shamans do it with the help of the elements. Priests do it through the holy light.
But warriors....
Warriors just fucking do it.
Source: http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/...-Developer-Q-AOriginally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
The titans killed him. There is no doubt that he is dead. Ergo, the titans can kill an old god.
The sha originally came from the old god Y'SHAarj. Y'shaarj's lingering essence, the sha, just happened to prey off of emotions.2) Re-origination was still an option, that's the problem. The Old Gods are an immediate threat, and the Legion did not even know that Azeroth existed at the time of the Old Gods. Hell, Sargeras didn't even know.
3) The Sha are spawned by the emotions of people who live on the land. The emotions they were not blessed with from the Titans. Their corruption is caused by the strife of the "lesser races," like humans and orcs. The Old Gods, themselves, are not directly in control.
4) Was there not also supposed connections between the Burning Legion and the Sha? I know the Old Gods had connections with the Mantid, but I think that there was something about the Mogu and the Legion.
“Do not lose time on daily trivialities. Do not dwell on petty detail. For all of these things melt away and drift apart within the obscure traffic of time. Live well and live broadly. You are alive and living now. Now is the envy of all of the dead.” ~ Emily3, World of Tomorrow
Words to live by.
Aight, I must have overlooked that. I shall concede this point.
But it seems a tad odd that they did not destroy him completely. One would think that the Titans would have taken precautions to have contained the Sha better.
It states in the post that the Sha are shadows of his former self. Perhaps this is a reproductive engine of the Old Gods. Or maybe this is why they decided on containment.
Deathknight's do it using disease, blood and the power of the unholy. Warlocks do it with dark demons by their side. Mages do it with summoned arcane powers. Druids do it using the forces of nature. Rogues do it through stealth, poison's, shadows and....from behind. Paladins do it by calling to the light for aid. Shamans do it with the help of the elements. Priests do it through the holy light.
But warriors....
Warriors just fucking do it.
"I was a normal baby for 30 seconds, then ninjas stole my mamma" - Deadpool
"so what do we do?" "well jack, you stand there and say 'gee rocket raccoon I'm so glad you brought that Unfeasibly large cannon with you..' and i go like this BRAKKA BRAKKA BRAKKA" - Rocket Raccoon
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Old Gods lost because they never really acted as a unified force, while the Titans obviously were obviously a unified force at this point.
"For those that called for the revelation of my own favored pairing, I am most intrigued by the relationship between C’Thun, Yogg-Saron, and N’Zoth. Their glory was also the root of their momentary defeat; that the Pantheon, united, only barely triumphed over my eldritch masters, divided, speaks to their power and incomprehensible existence."
http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/to...7180?page=2#27
Though this is pretty much a retcon (Old Warcraft Lore books tell the story as the Old Gods were united) it would make sense that a Single Old God is > a Single Titan, but the Titans won because they were united and not divided like the Old Gods.
After all, an Alliance between beings that embody Chaos and Madness would be a quite a paradox.