Native Americans were brought to Europe as early as the 11th century
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Native Americans were brought to Europe as early as the 11th century
http://news.discovery.com/history/us...ican-woman.htm
Most of the more pure natives stayed with there people, my Grandmother is half Cherokee so I'm 1/8 Native American. You cant really tell unless I let myself get really tanned, though my father is pretty obvious during the summer. They are a pretty reserved people, I mean I talk with my grandma a lot, but she doesnt really talk much of her past, just wants to know more about me and talk about the present really.
You don't see them around because they are all chillen on reservations gettin everything paid for just smoking peyote, least thats what they do in oklahoma
A lot of them assimilated and were bread out with European immigrants. My Grandma is Cheyenne think she said, and my Grandad is most possibly Cherokee, because his father came off a reservation in Oklahoma in 1912ish.
There are still A LOT of natives here, living on reservations and so on. Over 300k are Cherokee alone, last time i checked online.
Kinda crazy how both my grandparents on my mom's side, as well as my mom are either pure 1/2 or 1/3(?) native and i look like i fell off Welshman's wagon on the way to California
Slaughtered.
They were conveniently replaced and then the brutality of it "forgotten" about.
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Well I am taino and spanish. My wife's grandmother was pure blooded Cherokee. There are some around. Most are mixed now however.
That wasn't every tribe. Just a lot.
OT: I know several Native Americans. They are all over the place if you are in the right areas. Hell, my brother (half-brother, w/e) is 1/4 Blackfoot.
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Washington as well.
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By that token, anytime someone calls a "black" person an "African-American" when they were born here, they are wrong. However that is the accepted term. "African-American" would be someone born in Africa and then came to America after. So, "black" people born in America should be called "Americans of African descent".
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Yes, I have been there. Nisquallay Reservation as well, down by Yelm. They are a little better off, but not much. However, then you have the (I think?) Skokomish? Just north of Everette. They are doing quite well with their casinos.
Point is, even in relatively close geographic regions, these things vary just like any other culture.
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That said, I even forget that my own 2 oldest kids are 1/16th Cherokee. Again, they look almost completely white. Just some distinctive facial features, i suppose. That said, I am also 1/32 black. I don't look it, but it is there. I guess what I am saying is I could care less about ethnicity, everyone is just a person to me. I really could care less of someone's ethnic background, it won't make me treat you any different.
I hate it, however, when someone uses their ethnicity to garner an advantage in some way. It goes against my beliefs that everyone is equal.
"There is no teacher but the enemy. No one but the enemy will tell you what the enemy is going to do. No one but the enemy will ever teach you how to destroy and conquer. Only the enemy shows you where you are weak. Only the enemy tells you where he is strong. And the rules of the game are what you can do to him and what you can stop him from doing to you." -Mazer Rackham - Ender's Game Orson Scott Card
Making their "riches" by catering to the overall populations' lowest common denominator doesn't indicate success in my books. Of course I speak of the Native American tribes here in the western US where they own casinos. We have forced the worst possible business values on them in order to allow them to feel like they've "succeeded".
Also the amount of people calling them Indians and Red Skins is a little funny.
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Originally Posted by High Overlord Saurfangi7-6700 @2.8GHz | Nvidia GTX 960M | 16GB DDR4-2400MHz | 1 TB Toshiba SSD| Dell XPS 15
That just sounds like a poor attempt to justify bad behavior with an "everyone does it" slogan. Which is an outdated and somewhat childish way of thinking. As nations haven't engaged in such practices for centuries. But yet in this period of the constant and peaceful exchange of ideas, there has been development in the world that trumps the development from centuries where conquering was prevalent.
I am a half-breed, dad was 1/2 Navajo 1/2 menominee, mother is all polish. Each tribe has it's own reservation if they are "recognized" by the federal government. The differences between reservations is incredible. It has mostly to do with the tribal councils and how effectively they manage the tribes assets. Many of the tribes have casinos and they have been a mixed blessing in most cases. Many went from being dependent on federal welfare and now are dependent on casino royalties, as a result no real change in the standard of living for them. The tribes that pump the profits of the casino back into the tribal infrastructure have turned out way better. A large percentage of us do not live on the reservation and have little to no interaction with them. So we are still around, we do not look like what Hollywood wants us to look like, and you never know when you may end up talking to one.
But there's Hipsters willing to pay big bucks to watch "us" act like stereotypes. Had I not inherited all the Caucasian physical traits I would totally be at a flea market, dressed like a stereotype selling stuff to hipsters.
EDIT: I just had the awesomest idea of how to do it too; have a little partially enclosed kiosk, with you sitting at the back painting 'Thunderbird' pictures while sad colonial style music plays in the background, and then you sell the Thunderbird pictures for about 200 bucks a piece as "Authentic Native-American art work". And have goose feathers tied to the handle of the paint brush.
Because that's clearly what all the purely European descended folks think a Native American should look like.
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Can you safely say to me that everyone on this map was extremely violent?
I couldn't say that.
And I disagree, they were not equal (I presume you mean in violence). Yes, the Spanish went and did a genocide, yes, the Aztecs were doing their genocides... but were the Aztecs the only ones around there? No.
And I mention the Aztecs especially because they lacked things like... wheels. And it may be a wonder of architecture, but in it they killed whatever tribe they catches. They had some kind of football game where the losing team was sacrificed. There was a special event once when 2000 people were sacrificed in 2 days... I mean, I can't say such a nation is civilized. Oh, and I never said the spanish were civilized either, I mean they came and did genocide for land and gold and the gold was used by the king/queen to buy riches and wasted quite quickly.
I said the Inca were a bit more civilized then the rest because they managed to keep about 20 different cultures united (yes, through some fear, I won't deny that, yes, they did sacrifice the children of other tribesmen especially to keep the fear alive, I won't deny that either) and managed to make up a system in which if a region suffered from hunger because of droughts or something, other regions would share. It was a redistribution of goods similar to more socialist countries today, where they tried their best to keep their people from suffering (well, except the children of local chieftains...). In the meantime, in many countries in Europe, Spain included, the nobles were taking what they could from the poor, sometimes even leaving them to starve, if sometimes there was a drought... bad luck, people died. That's the big difference.
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