Should you be able to see the content by doing absolutely nothing?

[Aquamonkey]

I have friends who were veteran raiders from Vanilla who have since quit the game. Every so often, Blizzard sends them a free week. They come back, level up, clear LFR, whisper me about how ridiculous it was to have seen all the content, then never come back until Blizzard sends them another trial.

[Deleted]

easy mode experience the story ? Sure I don't see a problem with that.
Going AFK for the whole raid, absolutely not.

Solution - Tune LFR so that every person has to pull their weight, and not be dead wood.

[Zogarth]

Seeing threads like this, I wonder if I'm the only person in the game whose enjoyment of the game is NOT based on what other folks do or do not do in the game.

And thanks for pointing out a fatal flaw in the entire model of the game right now. You can play the game as a single player. You don't need to talk to ANYONE in order to play the game. You can beat everything in the game without making contact to other people except just standing next to them in a dungeon or a raid. They could as well be bots, would really not matter.

[KCguy]

The thing is, when ToT in LFR was first released a few months back, it was actually pretty challenging. People seemed to really be trying. I don't think he'd have been able to get away with that then. DPS was looked at more closely and it actually mattered more. At least in the groups I was with. People would look at see that such and such isn't doing much, they got kicked immediately. I remember it happening a fair amount. The only thing I can think of is make LFR even harder to do so it stretches out the content more.

[Darmalus]

The thing is, when ToT in LFR was first released a few months back, it was actually pretty challenging. People seemed to really be trying. I don't think he'd have been able to get away with that then. DPS was looked at more closely and it actually mattered more. At least in the groups I was with. People would look at see that such and such isn't doing much, they got kicked immediately. I remember it happening a fair amount. The only thing I can think of is make LFR even harder to do so it stretches out the content more.

LFR is already as hard as you can make something intended for 25 random people. Some groups will be better than others, to the point they had add the Determination buff to prevent trainwrecks from clogging up the system.

[brirrspliff]

that's the second post of that kind i saw today and i will answer to it even if i only read the title in this case.

here's my answer: WTF? it's not possible to see any content by "AFK'ing". your are being carried in that case, which is wrong. just stop playing wow, you are hurting the community and the game. play singleplayer games instead. go afk while playing bioshock or minesweeper.

[BatteredSausage]

Seeing threads like this, I wonder if I'm the only person in the game whose enjoyment of the game is NOT based on what other folks do or do not do in the game.

Im with you on that one. COuldnt give a fuck what people do, wear , ride on , acheivement , how much gold , pick nose , scratch arse etc etc. In fact all people i interact with outside of the guild are forgotten about within mins.

[Shampro]

I remember the clusterfuck and rage that people caused when Blizzard announced that Lei shen would've only be killed in LFR a month and a half after normal/heroic is open. People honestly, dont even want to bother, or simply dont have the freaking time comitment that they've used to. Its not simply ''strive for the best'', thats honestly kind of a Bland and limited argument

I myself work on Heroic content with my guild because its about the experience and the link you have with your guild, for lots of us even the top guilds is about thier guild not'' lulz ima see the content then unsub'' But I can understand that some people just dont have the facility, and that is why LFR is in place, its not beeing removed honestly. These threads wont really help much.

[Anjerith]

Expecting to be carried is not a new thing that was introduced to LFR, if you are in a 25 man Guild, you are carrying half that group to some extent or another.

[Yarathir]

Seeing threads like this, I wonder if I'm the only person in the game whose enjoyment of the game is NOT based on what other folks do or do not do in the game.

Holy shit. Right? It's getting so bland and dull, all this "LFRers don't do anything it's killing WoW" talk. :/

[Serissa]

Yes. Why not? It's just a game (form of entertainment). When I want to see new movie - I just go and buy ticket etc. etc. Do you think I should run marathon before I'm eligible to buy ticket.

Same thing here

My 15$/month is same as everyone else and I want to enjoy my game the way I like to :P

[Socialhealer]

Expecting to be carried is not a new thing that was introduced to LFR, if you are in a 25 man Guild, you are carrying half that group to some extent or another.

what a complete load of crap, if we're going to make absolutely insane statements, i'm going to say by doing LFR i am carrying 10man guilds i've never seen before.

[brirrspliff]

Yes. Why not? It's just a game (form of entertainment). When I want to see new movie - I just go and buy ticket etc. etc. Do you think I should run marathon before I'm eligible to buy ticket.

Same thing here

My 15$/month is same as everyone else and I want to enjoy my game the way I like to :P

you're not getting it, either (or your sarcasm is not coming through...). it's a multiplayer game. i'll quote myself for you:

here's my answer: WTF? it's not possible to see any content by "AFK'ing". your are being carried in that case, which is wrong. just stop playing wow, you are hurting the community and the game. play singleplayer games instead. go afk while playing bioshock or minesweeper.

[Amerissis]

I'm not sure what you are trying to accomplish with that poll. It seems like you consider people who vote 'no' to be against LFR? That is not the case, of course. LFR in itself doesn't reward you for doing nothing, the group does. It's just like it was in 40 man Molten Core runs, always 5-7 people doing nothing at all. You can either carry them, or kick them, but it has nothing to do with the game or the content at hand. Luckily in every LFR I've been in, we've kicked AFKers (not responding to ress: kick, not responding to ready check: kick).

[Yarathir]

No wonder people don't enjoy the game when all they're doing is paying attention and being concerned with how others play the game. I'd want to quit if that was all I did online as well.

[Deleted]

I think you're begging the question.

Yes, some people exploit the system by AFKing through things, but that's not a design of the game, and it's not exclusive to WoW. In other games (or this one too), they might bot, or have a friend account share, or use a farming/power leveling/whatever service to do the same thing. As long as lazy people exist, there will always be people out there finding ways to game the system so they can put in as little effort as possible for rewards. This is a flaw of the players, not the game; WoW isn't designed with the intention that you can see the content with zero effort, and most of these contexts are violating rules of play.

(those people aren't the people who are interested in "seeing the content" anyway.)


It's not ideal, but I can't really think of any easy solutions that don't have unfortunate side effects. Blizzard put in a kicking system so we do have tools to handle it; anything more aggressive has the risk of being abused or inconvenient to legitimate players, or both.

Release LFR 1 patch behind. There, I fixed it.

[Yarathir]

Release LFR 1 patch behind. There, I fixed it.

It literly has no side effects as people who do LFR close to never have the intention of clearing normal in the first place.

Or change nothing. There, nothing was fixed that didn't need fixing.


It literally has no side-effect on serious raiders as LFR wings are released per week. If a guild can't at least get those bosses down in normal before the LFR of that wing is released, then that says enough - right?

[Deleted]

Or change nothing. There, nothing was fixed that didn't need fixing.


It literally has no side-effect on serious raiders as LFR wings are released per week. If a guild can't at least get those bosses down in normal before the LFR of that wing is released, then that says enough - right?

So if If I can't clear normal in 4 weeks I'm forced to do a lower ranked raid I don't want to. And don't give the "nobody forces you" bullcrap...find me one raidleader in the world who keep you if they can replace you with a person who plays just as good but puts up with lfr as well.

No raidleader would ever actively gimp his raid because lfr is a pile of shit.

[Tzalix]

See it? Yes.
Do it? No.

find me one raidleader in the world who keep you if they can replace you with a person who plays just as good but puts up with lfr as well.

Oh, I dunno, how about a raidleader that sees you as a human being and not a mindless drone, for starters?

Yes, they're real. I have one.

[Yarathir]

So if If I can't clear normal in 4 weeks I'm forced to do a lower ranked raid I don't want to. And don't give the "nobody forces you" bullcrap...find me one raidleader in the world who keep you if they can replace you with a person who plays just as good but puts up with lfr as well.

No raidleader would ever actively gimp his raid because lfr is a pile of shit.

A raid leader who has respect for his guildies would. Any raid that would need the advantage of LFR gear for the race would be capable of clearing normal in less than a week. There's no issue here; just people making an issue out of nothing.