Where did you get this? You seem to be thinking that if I say "X is true", I'm also saying "I'm proud X is true".
I think we should discuss factual matters purely on the basis of what is or isn't true, and not refrain from recognizing facts just because we might not want them to be true. Wishful denial is no way to go through life, son.
"There is a pervasive myth that making content hard will induce players to rise to the occasion. We find the opposite. " -- Ghostcrawler
"The bit about hardcore players not always caring about the long term interests of the game is spot on." -- Ghostcrawler
"Do you want a game with no casuals so about 500 players?"
None of that matters as they believe anyone with a synapse firing in their brain is superhuman and that they put in hundreds of hours to clear content lol. I have been through this with many applications and talking to people in vent. They won't accept anything you say even with 5.4 hits and raids are difficult because blizzard doesn't nerf them, they will still be here spewing the same things about subs.
At the benefit dinner I listened to many converstations between players just like gloriouis and Osmeric and they weren't happy at all. Mmo, manaflask.com and other sites were referenced telling them to go their to learn more about their class and rotation even as the casuals said they didn't have time. Zyahrim, a dev, asked the guy who was getting really pissed, how many pets do you have or rare mounts, he had a lot of them so the dev asked if you have time to farm pets/mounts then don't have time to check out your class. Was Epic@!!!! I wish i would have recorded but i was enjoying it too much, the same things that people on here get mad about are many of the same advice that Blizzard gives.
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Facts that certain bad/casual players fail at a simple game like Wow. Fact other bad players are simply too lazy to change because they feel they are right even their numbers reflect how wrong they are. Or the person who simply believes something even as the game he plays does the opposite, like yourself.
Why so you can tell me I'm bad? Terrible even? What possible purpose could it serve for you to have that information other than to do exactly as I said? Shift the burden of responsibility for this games current woes onto the individual and off the developers so that they can continue to serve up exactly the kind of raids you like. To dis empower and disenfranchise consumers by labeling them as terrible or "entitled".'
You sir should consider a career in politics.
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And then the quarterly reports come out. In Cataclysm, the devs did remarkable pirouettes in response to those declines. This time, the declines are even worse. Do you think they're going to stick to their guns?
I think the end result, if WoW declines enough, will be the board removing Morhaime. I don't think this has happened yet because the cow is still delivering cash and they didn't want a revolt of those under him. But WoW is ailing and Blizzard's alternatives aren't looking all that great. The pullback on Titan is significant in this regard, IMO.
"There is a pervasive myth that making content hard will induce players to rise to the occasion. We find the opposite. " -- Ghostcrawler
"The bit about hardcore players not always caring about the long term interests of the game is spot on." -- Ghostcrawler
"Do you want a game with no casuals so about 500 players?"
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What's bizarre is that you think you're making any kind of compelling argument there. I could stipulate every slander you make there as true, and it wouldn't do a thing to refute what I've been saying.
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You mean majority.
"There is a pervasive myth that making content hard will induce players to rise to the occasion. We find the opposite. " -- Ghostcrawler
"The bit about hardcore players not always caring about the long term interests of the game is spot on." -- Ghostcrawler
"Do you want a game with no casuals so about 500 players?"
None of those things are facts. The are, in fact, your opinion.
In my own experience, playing since classic, there are very few truly bad players. And the truly bad players almost never cross paths with good players, except for the occasional LFD.
I take long breaks from MMO-C and I'm not at all suprised that upon my return, you're still playing the same tired old record.
Stating an opinion as fact does not make it fact. Opinions are not fact. So don't be stupid and make a fool of yourself by trying to pass off your opinion as fact.
Got it. So your raiding advice to me is to wait for 30% nerfs and then spam trade for a progressed guild to agree to take me as long as I attempt to stay out of bad stuff and/or die at the beginning of fights. You're right! WoW raiding is a breeze... I don't know why I didn't come to you for raiding advice earlier.
And that illusion gets supported by all the positive feedback of LFR. Blizzard hears that players want more raid content and therefor will continue to focus on raid content and shove it down peoples throats. We cant have alternatives to raiding if the vocal player base keeps saying give me more raids. The five man players lost out in MoP and who knows if they will come back when Blizzard decides to pay attention to five mans again.
Sadly its the very few that ruin the enjoyment of the others and stuck in players minds of bad experiences. From then on random queue content is designed around the assumption that griefers will be there. Blizzard has continued to make attempts to punish griefers in BGs but wont take action in LFR and even for LFD GC has defended the kick timer lockout being as long as the dungeons themselves.
Depends how much can really be blamed on Morhaime without him putting focus on those bellow him. The reset on Titan looks bad but given the new shooters both MMO and not that are coming out, it very well could be a good thing that Titian got reset and can learn from the others and hopefully not have to directly compete with the ones coming out in the next couple of years.
Last edited by nekobaka; 2013-06-28 at 11:00 PM.
I'm not convinced we can have meaningful and rewarding alternatives to raiding at all. If you could then people would forsake lfr and raiding as a whole and then raiding would simple be uneconomical again. That's exactly what the developers are saying when they talked about people gearing around patches and not bosses. They were foresaking raiding content to do stuff outside of raids. The developers insist that this wasn't "fun" it was just "effecient' but their definition of fun in this matter should be looked at very closely.
"There is a pervasive myth that making content hard will induce players to rise to the occasion. We find the opposite. " -- Ghostcrawler
"The bit about hardcore players not always caring about the long term interests of the game is spot on." -- Ghostcrawler
"Do you want a game with no casuals so about 500 players?"
This is really the big thing. People (in general) don't raid because it's fun or because it's something they enjoy doing, they do it for gear. Period. All stop. Discussion over. Why the FUCK do they insist on pumping out content that isn't fun. This is a game, for God's sake! By definition, games are meant to be fun!
Actually, those who just go for loot tend not to stick it out too long; they reach a plateau and eventually reach a point where difficulty outweighs the gear benefits. The raiders who keep going are the ones who do it for the buzz of completing the content. And completing the content is killing the last guy on the hardest difficulty. The buzz of the kill makes it fun.
It's funny how the crowd that gets exclusive content wants to take it further. How would you all like it if the lfr crowd, you know the majority, demanded the removal of heroic? LFR does not give achievements, titles, and mounts. Now you want more not to be given out. There's a simple solution to all this: If you hate lfr then do not do it.
LFR gave the hardcore crowd everything it wanted. You asked for achievements to be given for beating current content, you got it. You wanted harder raids, you got them. You asked for content to be nerfed far less, you got it. You asked for extra content, you got it. Raiding normal or heroic mode is more exclusive at this point then it's ever been.
Mmhmm. That's why you don't extend your first raid lock out until the final boss is dead and instead re-kill the same bosses ad nauseam. Because you don't care about gear. Right.
Also, please note the context of my comment and the material quoted. By Blizzard's own admission, when you give people an opportunity to circumvent raiding the majority do (circumvent raiding). I dunno about you, but I'm not in the habit of circumventing things I find fun. Ergo, the logical conclusion to draw is that the majority of the player base do not raid for fun, the logical conclusion to draw then must be that they raid for loot; those really are the only two options (except masochism, but I refuse to believe the majority of players are masochists: see lack of tanks. =P).