Dark rangers new class?
Corpses come from invasion of orgrimmar, so they're both horde and alliance?
Make it happen!
Dark rangers new class?
Corpses come from invasion of orgrimmar, so they're both horde and alliance?
Make it happen!
You don't know much about him do you?
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She knows they just waged civil war, she knows many of their troops are still wounded and she still demands troops right now, even though it threatens the safety of Quel'thalas.
This more or less destroys her relations with the blood elven Leadership. Lor'themar being snide and rude towards Sylvanas is just payback she deserves.
Last edited by Combatbutler; 2013-06-21 at 05:05 PM.
No, it's not following that train of thought at all, it's based off the fact that there is pretty much no difference between Sylvanas and the Lich King and hasn't been for a while, Garrosh was right about that, try reading sometime before you accuse someone of not basing their opinions off from facts. (For the record what "Fact" was there that would place Sylvanas as "Chaotic Good" as you said?)
No she says, and I quote:
" Do you think I will tolerate such cowardice? I would warn you: those who do not stand with the Forsaken stand against them. And those who stand against the Forsaken will not stand long."
After his people suffered a devastating assualt by the Scourge wiping away most of their population, some of his people splintering away because of their refusal to siphon demonic magic and after all of that a betrayal which led to a civil war. It's completely understandable that he didn't want to go, he had soldiers in infirmaries from the most recent conflict, blow after blow had been delivered to Silvermoon and she demands more.
Boredom with a certain topic doesn't excuse false accusations.
This pretty is much the complete opposite of what has actually transpired on Azeroth, that I have to wonder if you are trolling. Sylvanas was made to serve the lich king, she broke away and started a faction devoted to fighting those who had fought her, over a reason she had no control over, so, um... yeah.
But, the point guys, like, where??
Why the hell did you turn this into another "IS SYLVANAS/THE FORSAKEN EVIL?" thread? I love those, but come on! this was just about speculation on a specific lore point.
Way to derail it guys.
There is a big difference, if you read her shot story and lore you would see that. She was planning to off herself after the lich king died because she didn't give a damn about her people but the valkry changed her mind and gave her a 2nd (3rd) chance and she came back to stop garrosh suicide attempt (with her people) to get into gilneas.No, it's not following that train of thought at all, it's based off the fact that there is pretty much no difference between Sylvanas and the Lich King and hasn't been for a while
Not to mention she isn't forcing anyone to be her servant. If you pay attention to the starter zone she doesn't mind slave anyone but other forsaken try and convince newborn forsaken that they have a 2nd chance as a forsaken instead of their old lives. If they don't want to they just off themselves.
She is a cruel bitch true but her actions are for good intentions unlike the LK who he wanted to kill everything.
As for the dead bodys during the SoO they are dead. There is no way around that, risen bodys to help against the war is better then dead bodys doing nothing. That is just her logic. Lorthemars logic is to respect the dead and give them a proper burial.
This was before the LK died and she didn't give a damn who she had to step threw to get her revenge and the other forsaken she liberated wanted the same thing.No she says, and I quote:
" Do you think I will tolerate such cowardice? I would warn you: those who do not stand with the Forsaken stand against them. And those who stand against the Forsaken will not stand long."
Last edited by zito; 2013-06-21 at 07:03 PM.
You know why she changed her mind (I did read it by the way) because she saw what was awaiting her in death.
I suggest you redo WPL, also look what happened to the Forsaken that didn't join her.
Plague bombing a civilian city is a good intention? That's definitely not even remotely close to wanting to kill everything right?
Remember her line "There is no joy in this curse." She seems really eager to inflict that upon others now.
Yea, she didn't. She managed to piss off the only group in the Horde that didn't mistrust her, which ended up biting her in the ass during the Conversation in Grommash Hold (Tides of War) and from the looks of it SoO. Regardless wanting revenge doesn't warrant forcing a nation which has nearly been destroyed multiple times over the course of 5 years to assist you in your War effort.
of course lets not all Forget the Argent-Apothecary Judkins
"I once worked for the so-called "Banshee-Queen", Sylvanas, as an apothecary. I used to admire her, but something's changed within her. She's not herself anymore.
I broke my vows with the Forsaken and joined the Crusade. Now, I use my knowledge of alchemy to seek a counter-plague agent. And the Plaguewood is the perfect place to do so."
that's not true. as we've seen in the undead starting zone, you aren't forced to join the forsaken or die. you have the choice of joining the forsaken, not joining them, or die. the forsaken are not slaves. they van leave the forsaken to pursue other goals if they wish. argent apothecary judkins left the forsaken to join the argent crusade. in the first levels, you see exactly how the process works:
1 - you chose to join the forsaken? awesome
2 - you chose not to join the forsaken, but you won't fight against us either? such a shame, but no biggie, we understand
3 - you chose to rebel and fight against the forsaken? DIE MAGGOT!
Warlorcs of Draenorc made me quit. You can't have my stuff.
the Cdev response was incomplete. it was working in a binary setup where you can only be alliance or horde, but that setup is oversimplified and just isn't true. many undead leave the forsaken to join neutral organizations, like the argent crusade, the venture co. or even the darkmoon faire lol
what the Cdev meant was that you can't go back to being their enemy. if you choose alliance (or scourge), they'll send you back to your grave. but if you decide not to be their enemy, they won't force you to fight for them. this same answer from the Cdev you are mentioning also says that "Free will is one of the cornerstones of Forsaken culture". the forsaken adore free will, and if you don't want to chill around in the undercity or join sylvanas' army, they're cool with that.
http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/5208785474
Warlorcs of Draenorc made me quit. You can't have my stuff.
Yes, it is all how you percieve free will. they will kill you if you don't join them. You are free to refuse and you are free to get killed.
After the effects wear off, if the risen corpse has not been destroyed, they are given the same ultimatum that other Forsaken are offered: join the Dark Lady or return to the grave.
Last edited by delus; 2013-06-21 at 10:35 PM.
ok. explain why the hundreds of undead that work for the venture co. aren't dead.
after that, explain why the forsaken did nothing to kill lilian voss after she refused to join them. all they said was "what a shame, she didn't wanna join us ". that's far from an ultimatum. plain and simply, Cdev put that answer on a binary situation, where you are either alliance or horde. you can choose to be neither.
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in fact, here's some in-game quest text about this exact situation:
http://www.wowpedia.org/Quest:The_Wakening
You've done well, <class>. As you can see, not all of us have resigned to our fates. I'm glad to see that you're at least willing to work.
Valred will be a valuable asset to the Forsaken. As for the other two... there is not much we can do. We cannot force them to join us.
Warlorcs of Draenorc made me quit. You can't have my stuff.
I did follow those quests. nothing changed. she raises people, they are kinda nuts, she sends them to kill alliance. afterwards when they calm down, they can make the choice, that exists.
also: I'm a pre and post-cata loremaster. you name a quest and odds are that I've already done it (and I always read quest text).
Warlorcs of Draenorc made me quit. You can't have my stuff.