As someone who has been in a top 50 EU Guild, I can tell you that attitude gets you absolutely fucking no-where, and to make people feel so low and bad about themselves that they cry, makes him a royal prick.
You tell your Raid Leader to shove him, his guild and his team up his ass, and you leave. The only way he'll learn, is if his attitude costs him what he apparently cares about, raiding.
Amazing that people put up with such douche raid leaders. I wouldn't. I don't give a fuck. If I see some guy raging not necessarily at me, but other people, I'm out. I'd rather look for another guild, which is never hard if you got gear, rather than get stressed out during an activity which is supposed to be for entertainment purposes, by some power tripping douche with no manners.
who would want to listen to some shitter bitching all night, is that supposed to be considered fun?
There are pages of comments at this point, but I wanted to ask your thoughts on the situation. Did you agree with the decision? Had the group ever done H Vizier before? I mean, the way to avoid the attenuation changes completely based on your latency, and the healers have to be experienced to heal AND dodge, since that requires staring at their raid frames too.
Personally, I think he was kicked because he wasn't a very good raid leader. If the goal was to get a feel for the group, why yell at anyone for any reason? Why do H Vizier at all? These are poor decisions, and they are part of the raid leader's job.
After a solid month of wiping on Rotgut or whatever those blobby guys were in ICC, I came close to exploding and insulting everyone in my raid.
If people would stop being bad and dying to dumb shit then most likely the RL wouldn't be so mad but in bad casual/social guilds there is always people in the raid that realistically shouldn't be there if you want to progress. Those people wipe raids on the simplest of fights and eventually are carried through content if possible, this RL should have just left if people were so bad.
See, that I can understand. But just 4 wipes? I've gotten 6 Determination stacks on Lei Shen before (~2 days after release), and that's LFR. A coordinated group, progressing anywhere, is going to wipe way way more than that while trying to figure out a proper strategy.
It isn't the RL job to hold people's hand about the bosses they are raiding. As a raider you are supposed to know the fights especially outdated content that is nerfed. This sounds like a bad group of players who were failing at old nerfed content who in all reality were more interested in the social aspect then progression as they raid content from last tier. The raid lead was most likely in the wrong type of guild with players so bad they couldnt down faceroll content.
I think your defintion of decent is the defintion for bad for me, as last tier's outdated content is horrible. One can assume that since they started raiding nerfed old content that they weren't good players, that is very safe to assume, and that it became obvious soon enough that the group wasn'\t going to progress whether it was HOF or Tot. You can replace the RL and they are still going to wipe to dumb stuff and fail, so blaming a raid lead who was speaking the truth is just passing the blame from the bad players to the RL.
The primary form of "badness" I see in WoW is people who run around saying "you suck" or when asked for a solution to a problem the raid is having say "don't suck".
Frankly, if you can't give a concise description of the mechanic, and how someone needs to change what their doing to resolve the issue, then you are not qualified to judge who sucks and who doesn't.
Thus, I associate abusive language and judgementalism with being a poor player.
It's surprising how many times, say in LFR, a bunch of people will whine about others, and then when they quit and get replaced with randoms from the queue, the problem goes away and we succeed on the next attempt.
It's also interesting that the groups of good players are almost completely silent when running, with the occasional question or suggestion or working out who is doing what.... the quieter the group the faster the run and the less likelihood of a wipe. Meanwhile the problematic groups always seem to have a bunch of people going on and on about BS.
One of the reason I don't run normals or belong to a raiding guild is too many of these people who don't know enough to explain a solution to the problem, but are so loud and eager to place blame that attempts to have a coherent discussion are completely disrupted.
I'd rather run with LFR on my own schedule than invest the time babysitting assholes in a guild.
Last edited by Dagny; 2013-06-28 at 08:26 PM.
Yeah, this. Before the first attenuation, I'd check my latency and change up my positioning accordingly. Iirc, if it was 50ms or better, I had to clip the sonic ring in front of me to avoid taking dmg. If it was 50-150, I tried to be exactly in the middle. If 150+, I had to clip the ring in back.
I might have that reversed, but I also remember it being unintuitive.
I was so glad when we finally killed this.
It is incredibly ironic that you expect your hand to be held yet you have the gull to mention that you don't want to babysit assholes in a guild. Sounds like a bad who has been told to learn the fights, watch videos, read the journal and then to be make it baddie proof, listen to DBM. At the end of all of that, they still fail. It is not the RL job to hold your hand through content, it is yours to know the fights before you set foot in the instance. If after all of that people can't do the fight then they are replaced but social/casual guilds believe that no one should ever be replaced, which brings up the question, if you care about the social aspect so much why think you are going to progress or why is progression so important to a social event?