Texas Abortion Law Update: Passed

[The Riddler]

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...96805G20130710

And - parenthetically - this simply mirrors the national statistics...

http://www.gallup.com/poll/154838/pr...ecord-low.aspx

Seems like the Abortion Mill industry is starting to lose some of their grip on the minds of America. I think that's good for both women as a whole, and the nation.

[Bakis]

Yes having a choice is not a good thing.. then again they are women so who cares? That is the feeling I get sometimes.

Infracted: Please do not make sexist comments

(edited for clarification)

[The Madgod]

Restriction of personal freedoms is never really a good thing.

[Deleted]

Restriction of personal freedoms is never really a good thing.

It depends on what you're restricting. If people want to abort they have plenty of time to do it, why wait untill week 20 really.

[aukir]

Doesn't really change much. Less than 2% of abortions are post 20 weeks anyway. They tend to only be for severe fetal abnormalities as well. So I guess they'll just have to give birth to children that will die shortly after anyway.

[Velaniz]

Clearly only good things are going to come out of limiting someone's rights to their own fucking body.

[Sukitama]

Just to let people know: this was done in the House, not the Senate of Texas. Of course it'll pass the House's Vote since it did the last special session that was called into order. The House passing it at this point is just routine and nothing special about it. It's when/if it passes in the Senate that it would really go into affect. However, considering Wendy Davis Spent a good chunk of her day filibustering this thing, I suspect she and the other Dems will try to kill it again, thus making the fool call yet another special session and have the whole process repeat.

[Reeve]

It depends on what you're restricting. If people want to abort they have plenty of time to do it, why wait untill week 20 really.

This isn't about the 20 week window. It's about how the law will shut down all but 5 abortion clinics in the state of Texas. It's a law aimed specifically at restricting access to abortions. I imagine it will be constitutionally challenged on that basis and overturned.

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Just to let people know: this was done in the House, not the Senate of Texas. Of course it'll pass the House's Vote since it did the last special session that was called into order. The House passing it at this point is just routine and nothing special about it. It's when/if it passes in the Senate that it would really go into affect. However, considering Wendy Davis Spent a good chunk of her day filibustering this thing, I suspect she and the other Dems will try to kill it again, thus making the fool call yet another special session and have the whole process repeat.

I doubt they'll be successful in killing it a second time.

[The Riddler]

It isn't restricting freedom. It is placing some common-sense safeguards on an life-ending medical procedure so crap like the Gosnell clinic doesn't happen again.

It's about how the law will shut down all but 5 abortion clinics in the state of Texas.

If they can't meet these simple, common sense requirements then maybe they SHOULD be shut down for conducting unsafe medical procedures and slipshod work. Regardless, I disregard the hyperventilating, exaggeration of how apocalyptic the law will be on the clinics. Those are the typical crocodile tears the Abortion Mill industry cries like a river any time ANY restriction of any kind (no matter how reasonable) is put on their work. Like the hyperventilating bullcrap the teachers unions wept like babies in Wisconsin, this too will be nowhere near as bad as the professional Abortionists claim.

[Kalyyn]

This isn't about the 20 week window. It's about how the law will shut down all but 5 abortion clinics in the state of Texas. It's a law aimed specifically at restricting access to abortions. I imagine it will be constitutionally challenged on that basis and overturned.

It isn't restricting freedom. It is placing some common-sense safeguards on an life-ending medical procedure so crap like the Gosnell clinic doesn't happen again.

I'm really torn on this issue, because honestly I think you're both right. In some ways, the bill is good in that it does mandate better abortion practices, and stops late abortions (which are pretty sketchy to begin with). But I also don't think those abortion clinics really needed to be shut down. So I'm on the fence about this matter.

[jimlow]

I don't think I even will understand how people can be so against abortion but couldn't give two shits about the kid after its born.

[smelltheglove]

It isn't restricting freedom. It is placing some common-sense safeguards on an life-ending medical procedure so crap like the Gosnell clinic doesn't happen again.



If they can't meet these simple, common sense requirements then maybe they SHOULD be shut down for conducting unsafe medical procedures and slipshod work. Regardless, I disregard the hyperventilating, exaggeration of how apocalyptic the law will be on the clinics. Those are the typical crocodile tears the Abortion Mill industry cries like a river any time ANY restriction of any kind (no matter how reasonable) is put on their work. Like the hyperventilating bullcrap the teachers unions wept like babies in Wisconsin, this too will be nowhere near as bad as the professional Abortionists claim.

funny how in other threads you pretend to be a champion of liberty, and piss and moan about regulation. who would have figured you were full of shit?

[Kasierith]

It isn't restricting freedom. It is placing some common-sense safeguards on an life-ending medical procedure so crap like the Gosnell clinic doesn't happen again.

I've seen you argue against this argument, this exact same argument, when it was based on gun rights instead of abortion rights... does this sound familiar? "We should place some common-sense safeguards on the distribution of lethal weaponry so crap like [insert mass shooting event] doesn't happen again."

The argument is equally ridiculous in both situations.

[Cthulhu 2020]

So basically, coat hanger sales are going to go up, and promotion of unsafe abortions is a victory for Texans. Awesome.

[Deleted]

I'm against abortion clinics as it is, the procedure should be done in a hospital complex as it is over here. And post 20 week abortions should in my opinion be done only on medical basis, and I see no harm in demanding quality procedures instead of conveyorbeltwork.
So yea, it's not as bad as it could've been, the choice still remains.

[Joathen]

It isn't restricting freedom. It is placing some common-sense safeguards on an life-ending medical procedure so crap like the Gosnell clinic doesn't happen again.



If they can't meet these simple, common sense requirements then maybe they SHOULD be shut down for conducting unsafe medical procedures and slipshod work. Regardless, I disregard the hyperventilating, exaggeration of how apocalyptic the law will be on the clinics. Those are the typical crocodile tears the Abortion Mill industry cries like a river any time ANY restriction of any kind (no matter how reasonable) is put on their work. Like the hyperventilating bullcrap the teachers unions wept like babies in Wisconsin, this too will be nowhere near as bad as the professional Abortionists claim.

I love how 'pro-life' people scream rage against abortion, but inner-city violence and the wars overseas are a non-issue. Never mind the fact that recovered stem cells could lead to life-saving procedures. Once the baby is out though, who really cares about it? The vocal majority of pro-lifers don't champion public education or career assistance, they don't throw their money at groups meant to aid those who do decide to keep their kids despite inadequate means of care; and as soon as those boys are 18 off to East they go, right?

[Masark]

And - parenthetically - this simply mirrors the national statistics...

http://www.gallup.com/poll/154838/pr...ecord-low.aspx

And yet those who think it should be legal outnumber those favouring bans 77-20

[zephid]

That is a terrible law, seriously.

[Garnier Fructis]

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...96805G20130710

And - parenthetically - this simply mirrors the national statistics...

http://www.gallup.com/poll/154838/pr...ecord-low.aspx

Seems like the Abortion Mill industry is starting to lose some of their grip on the minds of America. I think that's good for both women as a whole, and the nation.

Here, let's try a gallup poll from May of this year instead of May of last year.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/162374/am...ell-trial.aspx

Oops. It seems that while many people like to answer that they're pro life, the harsh reality is that most Americans support abortion (in some form), both now and in the recent past. This law doesn't mirror the national statistics at all.

[Cthulhu 2020]

I'm against abortion clinics as it is, the procedure should be done in a hospital complex as it is over here. And post 20 week abortions should in my opinion be done only on medical basis, and I see no harm in demanding quality procedures instead of conveyorbeltwork.
So yea, it's not as bad as it could've been, the choice still remains.

It's Texas saying "Well we can't directly illegalize abortions, so instead we're going to regulate them into submission."

Government regulations and restrictions of freedoms are bad, except when they're good, you know, cause that totally makes sense.