Welfare Legendary

[khalltusk]

I refuse to attempt any bg's (people aren't smart in pvp) to have a chance at finishing it. I'd rather just use a SoO cloak drop.

Can't fail when you don't try

Edit: since there's tooooo many responses from mad kids about how there legendary isn't special(it really isn't, this is an epic at best) and how its easy to obtain, I'll revert you all to one answer.

This legendary sucked, it shouldn't be legendary. When LFR people can get it just as easily as normals or heroic people, its just sad. At least lower there stats to ilvl 550, right under SoO ilvl.

I can agree to it being lower Ilevel legendary but Normal mode raiders should be lower than heroic and heroic at the highest. I don't think many LFR players (purely LFR) will have it compared to Normal and heroic raiders. Heroic raiders will be a very high percentage to have the cloak (min max etc) compared to normal and LFR raiders going by the way people in Heroic prepare for raids.

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It's true that Warglaives design was somewhat casual in that it just dropped off a boss. However, there weren't many people who actually got to see, let alone kill Illidan. So in that way, it required somewhat of a hardcore player or guild to obtain one and you had to put in a lot of time to have the DKP to obtain one, if anything.


I think legendaries should be actually hard to get. Doesn't need a lot of skill involved, just a helluva lot of time and dedication. For instance, Thunderfury back in the day was a nightmare to get, I presume. First you had to get both bindings and then have the money to buy 100 arcanite bars, which weren't cheap back then. And then kill Ragnaros and finally kill Thunderaan to obtain it.
It wasn't really skill based, it was just hard and time consuming.

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That's sooooo wrong...

He's quite correct a lot of guilds I know of simply gave a legendary if it dropped to a favoured person in guild. I had a shaman who was a terrible player but was always online and in raid (and a really nice guy) he was due to get the eye from rag in MC if it dropped. TBC one of our rogues got the glaives as he had most DKP that was the only reason he got it.

As for your other part of the post, you just described this cloak. the only reason you whine is because its not restricted to Heroic/Normal only. Thats it.

[Deleted]

Six people in my raid for SoO last week had it. And three of them are retarded.

Yes it was very much possible to have it if you didn't fuck around

You have such great respect for you guild mates.

I am very impressed!

[deadman1]

Because the cloak is brain dead simple to get

and everyone could also get it first day to 5.4

in short you don't have to be good to get it

I wont be getting mine for a while because I can't be bothered to do the pvp part of the quest

The funny thing is you didn't have to be good to get any of the other legendaries in the game ever. Save maybe the bow, but that was because the raid was overtuned not because it was difficult to get.

All of them simply took dedication, the same as this one, the only reason more people get this one isn't because of LFR it is because the collection was individual, not just given to one of the people in your raid group.
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That's sooooo wrong...

Name one legendary you had to be good to get? Other than the bow based on above reasons?

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Welfare recipients wait for their checks in the mail. It doesn't take them much effort or work to get a pay day. Just time.

You are waiting for your cloak. It didn't take you much effort or work to get your item. Just time.

That's the connection, and I agree with it 100%.

So you mean if I log into the game every day and sit in shrine and roll my thumbs I get a legendary?
Well that's news to me. That's not how my legendary worked.
I needed to run 324 raids, do pvp, farm mobs, kill world bosses and pass a not that super easy test.
I guess I have a different legendary then you and hope mine is better as I actually worked for mine.

[Avengerx]

I'm quite furious about the last part of the chain than probably anything else involved with it. Had a bit of bad rng so didn't have the cloak at start but spent literally the entire weekend trying to find a group that can kill the bloody celestials (ofc I did them on the first day without any fuss...). It's not like they are hard..people are just stupid.
People won't move out of Nizuao's path...we wipe, 90% of raid leaves. Someone interrupts the shield on Chiji...we wipe, 90% of the raid leaves...starting to really have enough of this.

[Beet]

pvp is hard mmkay? #pveentitlement

...Really? WoW is a PVE game. This is a quest where 95% of it has to be done in PVE circumstances. It's not unreasonable for people to be angry they have to PVP for a part of a PVE quest.

But yeah on topic this is definitely a welfare legendary. I think this would have been fine if it wasn't the only legendary of the expansion. Also it shouldn't have been completable in LFR at all. If Blizzard does this again in the future I hope they make it so it has to be done on Normal or Heroic only. Hell I'd LOVE to see a legendary that you couldn't get unless you did heroic mode, but that won't happen.

Blizzard described Legendarys and Arctifacts back in the day as items that were to be the rarest of the rare. That only a few players per server would have these items. Obviously this was a long long time ago since Artifacts were still being talked about, but yeah. You want to know a real legendary item that took an insane amount of work and wasn't mostly RNG? The Scarab Lord mount my friends. This was an amazing quest, and the best part of it was you could give it to many people in your guild if you put the work in for it. People forget that this mount is/was actually a legendary item, lol.

As for me, I think the cloak is cool in what it does and it improved my DPS by a crap load but I don't take pride in having it on at all. If some of you guys out there take pride in the fact that you have it then that's great. Be happy. But don't try to say this isn't by definition a welfare epic. Because it is.

[Pool of the Dead]

It took me since mid-way through June running full LFR of Tier 14 every week and I JUST got the last of my sigils yesterday.

This Cape will be Legendary for me just due to the fact that I had to spend 3 months dealing with mouthbreathers.

A feat in itself.

[Beet]

Welfare is something you get when you are out of work or need assistance. While this legendary is quite accessible it definitely requires a lot of time, effort, and commitment. Regardless of your difficulty level you put in the time and deserve to enjoy your reward.

My advice is don't let other people get to you, they are either jealous or unhappy in their own lives and because of their own personal weakness they insult others to make them feel a delusion of strength. The only true opinion that matters is your own.

Trust me man. No one is going to be jealous of this legendary cloak. No one. Well maybe someone that just started playing the game.

It seems to me that the people that call others 'special snowflake wannabes' are themselves the people wanting to feel like special snowflakes for their "achievement".

[khalltusk]

...Really? WoW is a PVE game. This is a quest where 95% of it has to be done in PVE circumstances. It's not unreasonable for people to be angry they have to PVP for a part of a PVE quest.

But yeah on topic this is definitely a welfare legendary. I think this would have been fine if it wasn't the only legendary of the expansion. Also it shouldn't have been completable in LFR at all. If Blizzard does this again in the future I hope they make it so it has to be done on Normal or Heroic only. Hell I'd LOVE to see a legendary that you couldn't get unless you did heroic mode, but that won't happen.

Blizzard described Legendarys and Arctifacts back in the day as items that were to be the rarest of the rare. That only a few players per server would have these items. Obviously this was a long long time ago since Artifacts were still being talked about, but yeah. You want to know a real legendary item that took an insane amount of work and wasn't mostly RNG? The Scarab Lord mount my friends. This was an amazing quest, and the best part of it was you could give it to many people in your guild if you put the work in for it. People forget that this mount is/was actually a legendary item, lol.

As for me, I think the cloak is cool in what it does and it improved my DPS by a crap load but I don't take pride in having it on at all. If some of you guys out there take pride in the fact that you have it then that's great. Be happy. But don't try to say this isn't by definition a welfare epic. Because it is.

Yeh legendary mount was cool but on my server it went to a GM of the alliance guild who had the most friends on the server/other guilds to help them get it. But then again it was a different time back then and everyone loved the idea of the AQ event. I didnt like that guy or his guild so not many of our guild helped them. Good old days of guild politics! :P

[Yarathir]

Trust me man. No one is going to be jealous of this legendary cloak. No one. Well maybe someone that just started playing the game.

It seems to me that the people that call others 'special snowflake wannabes' are themselves the people wanting to feel like special snowflakes for their "achievement".

So the value of a legendary or the defining factor of a legendary is based on how many people are jealous of you when you have it?



HA! Then there is no legendary at all worthy of the title of 'legendary'. I don't know anyone I would like to interact with that has been jealous of any item whatsoever. Maybe I would say "nice, you got x item", or "cool, you have been around a long time to have that", but that's about it. Jealousy? HA x2

[Cyrops]

I wont be getting mine for a while because I can't be bothered to do the pvp part of the quest

There's a PvP part to the quest?
/abandon

[Beet]

So the value of a legendary or the defining factor of a legendary is based on how many people are jealous of you when you have it?



HA! Then there is no legendary at all worthy of the title of 'legendary'. I don't know anyone I would like to interact with that has been jealous of any item whatsoever. Maybe I would say "nice, you got x item", or "cool, you have been around a long time to have that", but that's about it. Jealousy? HA x2

...That's my point rofl. I was telling the guy who said people are jealous of his cloak that NO ONE is jealous.

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Man it sure is funny that Blizzard said very few people were able to successfully clear raids pre-WotLK, but if you read this thread we've got tons of people that say clearing Black Temple and Sunwell to get the legendarys that dropped there was super easy. It reminds me of the threads that I see where people talk about how much the miss vanilla and suddenly everyone that posts says they played back then and hated it. Those threads make me wonder how on earth Blizzard could claim they've lost so many subs when clearly we've got tons of people that are still playing from launch day til now! Or could it be that they're simply lying out their asses...?

[Farora]

Let's see if this free legendary stopped the dropoff of subs.

[Cyrops]

I came back to 5.4 since I stopped playing in 5.0
Don't have my cloak yet, how is it a 'free legendary' ?

[vaccine]

I think the reasoning behind it is because anybody can get them, as long as they put in enough time to do so.

That's pretty much the same as most legendary. Or do you mean non-raiders could get it too? I see it as a reward for playing the whole expansion, you kept up with each patch, you got your Wrathion quest done, thanks for your loyalty and here is your reward. That's why it didn't take long in 5.4 to turn it into a legendary and finish the achievement. There are a ton of catch up mechanisms too, with increased drop rate in the old raids and

I really liked the Wrathion quest, he's the perfect anti-hero, something I felt WoW was lacking for too long. His goals are good but he doesn't care how he gets there, he's so focused on stopping the Burning Legion he'll help or harm you as long as it gets him closer to his goal. It's much more fun than the myriad of corrupted villains they normally use. I hope they add a similar quest line to the next expansion. It doesn't have to reward a legendary for me, but the whole quest line just felt like it tied in the patches together much nice than ever before and kept a simialr theme flowing through the whole expansion.

For Legendary items I'm still not convinced they know what they want to do with them. I think we'll probably see a return to vanilla style ones, random drops combined wtih a guild effort to craft. They've tried a ton of other systems and they all diminshed the feeling of the item being special. The Cata ones were the worst, you could pretty much pin point the week each raider would get it. Going back to a 1-5% drop to start a crafting/world boss quest like Thunderfury may be frustrating, but it makes it that much more special of an experience when it does drop. Yes it means some guy who raided once on an alt may get a legendary that your main that raids 80 hours a week never sees, but that's the only way in my mind to return to the special feeling attached to a Legendary.

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Trust me man. No one is going to be jealous of this legendary cloak. No one. Well maybe someone that just started playing the game.

It seems to me that the people that call others 'special snowflake wannabes' are themselves the people wanting to feel like special snowflakes for their "achievement".

I wonder what is the most important thing about this whole cloak? The effort in making people jealous?
The special snowflake feeling?

For me the legendary cloak was a fun and entertaining questline. It gave me the feeling I had worked long for it and for me it was reasonably challenging (the celestial blessing for melee at least was) and it had a good storyline.

I had the opportunity to do the Fangs of the Father questline as a rogue, and although the daggers did not really gave me a complete satisfied feeling because of the lackluster design of the proc (until they changed the poison thing in late DS, which made mutilate a bit OP) I would still redo the questline any time, just because it was nice and interesting.

I wonder why people are upset that people have worked less or AFK’d in LFR to get their cloak.
I, for myself, have the feeling I did effort for it, and am glad I have the cloak, and it doesn’t matter that other people call it welfare, or that others have it as well.

[lakhesis]

Strikes me that it's the very opposite of a welfare legendary.

This cloak was accessible to anyone, but the amount of crap you had to do to get it puts any previous legendaries to shame.

Vanilla & BC legendaries would be the ultimate RNG welfare legendary - they drop & your group gives them to you. no personal skill or dedication is necessary, just a network of skilled friends. some of them were a bit self selecting (e.g. the bow) simply because of how skilled those friends had to be... but there was no guarantee of competence in the person who received the legendary - they didn't even have to pass a skill-based solo quest.

Ulduar legendary was much the same as BC legendaries but given out in a multi-part format rather than just as one-lucky-drop. The LK axe was where things started having to get a little interesting, where the person obtaining the weapon did have to actually pass a few challenges.

Cata was definitely where legendaries started getting a bit more interesting. They're the first time there were genuine solo components which required at least a certain base level of competence to pass. One of our alt ele shaman had a hell of a time passing the solo quest, simply cos their gear wasn't up to scratch with what an elemental needed for that challenge.

And MoP has continued that trend. I'd argue that on a "welfare-ness" level, it's actually the least welfare legendary they've ever made... grinding a rep to exalted via mob kills, 3 separate rounds of item grind, multiple solo quests that require at least some base level of skill. Compare that to "kill illidan, item looted to you".

On the other hand, most people think of legendaries as rare & exclusive. If there's one thing the cloak is not, it's rare & exclusive.

It's just another bunch of misdirected complaints - like people calling something racist when it's actually corrupt nepotism, folk are picking their favourite derogatory word and twisting it to fit a situation it doesn't actually describe.

PS. I really feel that they should've just called the cloak a 'story item' or something like that. Emphasise that it's a special & powerful narrative item without the implied exclusivity that the word legendary implies.

[Granyala]

Legendaries post vanilla were always "welfare" in the sense that little to no extra effort was required to obtain them outside of "raid this dungeon".

The only difference is that very few people had them back in the day, and now everyone has one. Imho the cloak should have been epic to reflect that, since item color only really indicates one thing: rarity.

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Point is that I myself would've preferred more one-man scenarios and challenging bits to the chain -- let's face it, running LFR a few times isn't all that legendary (even though RNG can be a legendary pain in the ass).

It's not at all challenging, however. Just time-consuming and you can bet your epics on it that RNG will fuck you over (our boomkin is still on 19/20 ToT items despite running it every week on normal and LFR).

But no, they're not easy to get. It just takes long, and even Billy the Chosen LFRer can do it. On the other hand, I can't seem to think of a single legendary that didn't need random drops and RNG... (except maybe the rogue dagger?).

[Vankrys]

Does that term bother you at all? I mean after all the work you put in. It took some people almost an entire year to achieve that final cloak. I took me 6 months and someone called it a welfare legendary. How could they. I'm a little fired up about that term. Never have I worked hard for something in a video game before. Does it bother you when its referred to as welfare?

was it 6 month/1 year of relentless effort, ir just because the it was gated, thus waiting for patch to unlock the quest?
overall, how long really was the game effort to get it?