LFR and the bad players union

[Celista]

I dunno but I'm calling for my guilds good players to stop running lfr, and run flex as a team with our social members.
So far this arrangement has been most profitable both to health of mind and loot procuration.

Fed up with carrying lfrs, they wanna sit there for hours on end continually sucking, go right ahead. I don't have time to be the Lfr hero anymore. And it's not worth the stress I get when I dare to; 'help the failing strategy by suggesting something I've clearly done already in normal and heroic and works yet I'm an elitist prick who is daring to tell these impetuous fuckers how to live and need to shut up and get a life' Y'know...as you do.

So... sod it. You wanna run nothing but lfr and never make nice with anyone on this MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER experience, I'm not going to moan about it anymore. Enjoy being miserable.

If you have guild members who still need LFR loot then just make a premade. We have an officer who does this for our casuals and alts and it's made everyone's lives a lot easier. Also a good way to find guild members who have the potential to be bumped up to one of the raiding teams or participate in an alt run.

[Vaelorian]

I dunno but I'm calling for my guilds good players to stop running lfr, and run flex as a team with our social members.
So far this arrangement has been most profitable both to health of mind and loot procuration.

Fed up with carrying lfrs, they wanna sit there for hours on end continually sucking, go right ahead. I don't have time to be the Lfr hero anymore. And it's not worth the stress I get when I dare to; 'help the failing strategy by suggesting something I've clearly done already in normal and heroic and works yet I'm an elitist prick who is daring to tell these impetuous fuckers how to live and need to shut up and get a life' Y'know...as you do.

So... sod it. You wanna run nothing but lfr and never make nice with anyone on this MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER experience, I'm not going to moan about it anymore. Enjoy being miserable.

I really can't handle performing for a group of quick to anger, entitled babies who get mad when someone offers advice. I bet they do this to people in real life when criticized too...
Or have never had to work in a medium that warrants continuous criticism of your work and learned to take it.

Wish I had the time to go Flexraiding - but since it is organised obviously I cannot join in.

I am still in hell!

[Gilian]

I joined a group for a flex raid and saw the raidleader didn't have ANY enchants or gems. So I said: You didn't even enchant your gear, good luck. And left. He then whispered me: shut the fuck up cunt (or something similar to that, I can't remember exactly).
I thought it was funny and perfectly showed how screwed up this community is. I posted a screenshot in a thread I previously posted in to make a point. And I got shit for it because I wasn't nice to the guy.
That's about the same thing you experienced.

It doesn't matter. I'm fine with it. Just don't complain when we wipe or I am not doing my part when I don't feel like it or when I leave because I don't want to play with you.

[Celista]

Wish I had the time to go Flexraiding - but since it is organised obviously I cannot join in.

I am still in hell!

What's wrong with organized raiding? :P It doesn't give you cooties, promise.

[Vaelorian]

What's wrong with organized raiding? :P It doesn't give you cooties, promise.

Nothing is wrong with organised raiding. Whatever makes you think I feel organised raiding is wrong?
I just do not have the time to do it, ergo I need to make due with LFR (/sigh).

That said, I am happier not raiding due to all that Real Life stuff that I after 8 years of hardcore raiding (and then quit) - have acquired

[Hyve]

This thread offers nothing new or constructive, every since Battlegrounds were introduced with the random cross-realm matchmaking system, the community has been doing exactly what you've just described.

In Battlegrounds you ask people to stop fighting in the middle, and you're greeted with a swarm of abuse. In Looking for Raid ask people to stop standing in all the fire, and you're greeted with a swarm of abuse.

The fact is online we have (mostly) anonymity, combine that with the fact we'll likely never see those players again, and you've got a recipe for a douche bag cake.

[Celista]

Nothing is wrong with organised raiding. Whatever makes you think I feel organised raiding is wrong?

Well you didn't explain why! Lol.

Give it a few more weeks and flex pugs will likely be smooth and fast for everyone.

[Deleted]

I did LFR the other day and called out a guy that was doing 30k dps. Immediately, the guy responded with a "STFU" and I told the guy that he needed to up his dps, he was pretty upset about it and I said "you're mad because you're bad" or something along those lines. Long story short, I got the boot from the run, despite carrying it up to that point. I talked with some of my other guildies and they told me they encountered something very similar, they would carry the run, and if someone wasn't performing well, anyone that called that person out would get the boot, and the bad player wouldn't be touched. You'd get lots of responses like "it's only LFR", but yeah, we only wiped 5 times lol.

My guild and I speculated, there's almost like a union when it comes to bad players, you call one out, and the others will get angry with you, as opposed to the under performing guy, just because they are angry from all of the years that they themselves were called out for underperforming. Because of this, they will boot the guy who was actually helping them down the boss, because it's their way of getting revenge against all of the players that used to kick them back in the day. Anyone else ever have an experience like this? Does the bad player union exist?

You were wrong. The guy didn't need to up his dps, you needed to be a better human being towards other players.

Most players prefer social bonding and a pleasant gaming environment to progress. They always have. You are the odd one out.

[potis]

You were wrong. The guy didn't need to up his dps, you needed to be a better human being towards other players.

Most players prefer social bonding and a pleasant gaming environment to progress. They always have. You are the odd one out.

And this is the problem of the game.

"Wahhhh mom, someone told me i aint playing the game properly, wahhh, get the wahmbulance and the lawyers quickly".

He was absolutely right, you are the wrong one by far, the game has gone to shits because of this mentality.

This is why people miss the "old days" because players with your mentality were stuck months behind without ruining the game experience for others that actually can press 1 2 3 4 5 in sequence and everyone was happier.

[Terahertz]

More like we really dont care that much and just dont want to listen to your whining comment. I often support those kick cuz i hate the hater.

Well, some people DO care. And by kicking the hater who's doing a lot more DPS than the one being hated on, you basically wasted your own time. Gratz on being in-efficient.

[Etrigan]

They think you're an "Elitist" for not wanting someone in your LFR doing 30k DPS, in 502 gear... LFR is really broken, because it's so anonymous, and far too forgiving. It's more anonymous than LFG...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFWh9aY4pas&t=4m26s

Nobody notices you failing in a sea of people...

The bosses will die anyway sure, but think of how much easier all our lives would be if those 30k wonders would at the very least attempt to learn the game / stop slacking because it's socially unacceptable to pull 30k DPS on a level 90 character, and they will be kicked.

[Twisted Spirit]

I had one last night.

SoO lfr. One healer did 5m healing compared to everyone elses 20 million.
Looked at his gear and he was wearing strength pvp plate gear.

I pointed this out and got shot down. "PVP gear isn't as bad as it used to be"
It flipping is when you are meant to be healing and have strength gear equipped.

Just to be clear... He was healing and not dpsing.
"It's LFR" they said.

I don't know about you but I would rather he did 5 million healing in intellect gear than 5 million in strength gear!

[Deleted]

And this is the problem of the game.

Why?

"Wahhhh mom, someone told me i aint playing the game properly, wahhh, get the wahmbulance and the lawyers quickly".

He was absolutely right, you are the wrong one by far, the game has gone to shits because of this mentality.

This is why people miss the "old days" because players with your mentality were stuck months behind without ruining the game experience for others that actually can press 1 2 3 4 5 in sequence and everyone was happier.

Why are you saying it's my mentality? I like to do well. Fact is though, 90% of the playerbase would rather you be pleasant and good to get along with than be an amazing DPS who with no social skills. It's just something true I noticed.

Given LFR is explicilty designed to show those people the content, it's hard to call them wrong in their preferences. If anything, the OP is just saying that LFR is overtuned.

[kamuimac]

I did LFR the other day and called out a guy that was doing 30k dps. Immediately, the guy responded with a "STFU" and I told the guy that he needed to up his dps, he was pretty upset about it and I said "you're mad because you're bad" or something along those lines. Long story short, I got the boot from the run, despite carrying it up to that point. I talked with some of my other guildies and they told me they encountered something very similar, they would carry the run, and if someone wasn't performing well, anyone that called that person out would get the boot, and the bad player wouldn't be touched. You'd get lots of responses like "it's only LFR", but yeah, we only wiped 5 times lol.

My guild and I speculated, there's almost like a union when it comes to bad players, you call one out, and the others will get angry with you, as opposed to the under performing guy, just because they are angry from all of the years that they themselves were called out for underperforming. Because of this, they will boot the guy who was actually helping them down the boss, because it's their way of getting revenge against all of the players that used to kick them back in the day. Anyone else ever have an experience like this? Does the bad player union exist?

its not union agains a good players , people finally have enough of douchebags who think thye are so almighty that they make a difference in lfr that are aloowed to curse call out people etc etc - truth is people have enough of it and realised that if u kikc such people runs are much more enjoyable even if they wipe - and newsflash even if ur doin 10 % of groups dps it doesnt matter for group ur not carrying anyone your impact on stuff is minimal

I had one last night.

SoO lfr. One healer did 5m healing compared to everyone elses 20 million.
Looked at his gear and he was wearing strength pvp plate gear.

I pointed this out and got shot down. "PVP gear isn't as bad as it used to be"
It flipping is when you are meant to be healing and have strength gear equipped.

Just to be clear... He was healing and not dpsing.
"It's LFR" they said.

I don't know about you but I would rather he did 5 million healing in intellect gear than 5 million in strength gear!

tell me that u as healer has never ever even once in normals/hc changed specs from dps to heal and forgot to change gear itself ? maybe he was pulled into lfr 1 sec before pull and never had chance to switch gear ? what would u do in his position afk or try to do anything ?
axccident happen and people seriusly should stop assuming worst in others.

Well, some people DO care. And by kicking the hater who's doing a lot more DPS than the one being hated on, you basically wasted your own time. Gratz on being in-efficient.

because defeating those bosses 20-30 seconds faster will make difference for u irl yes ? -_-

[Deleted]

I had one last night.

SoO lfr. One healer did 5m healing compared to everyone elses 20 million.
Looked at his gear and he was wearing strength pvp plate gear.

I pointed this out and got shot down. "PVP gear isn't as bad as it used to be"
It flipping is when you are meant to be healing and have strength gear equipped.

Just to be clear... He was healing and not dpsing.
"It's LFR" they said.

I don't know about you but I would rather he did 5 million healing in intellect gear than 5 million in strength gear!

Right, it is exactly something like this!

It does not matter if someone trys their best. It's the fact that some do intended mistakes or give a shit for something, but those guys get defended by others. That is the wierd thing. And even the bad players should not support this. But all they think is

"Oh, he must have fun with this, I like this. He should have fun. I don't wanna disturb his enjoyment, even when it lowers the fun of others. Fun is Fine. Fun is Fun. Lol"

[Pann]

The problem seems to be that OP's perception of what he brings to the group is very different from the group's. Whilst he may believe that he is carrying the raid it is highly unlikely that one player's performance will make that much difference. From a group perspective, even if the OP is the best player in the world, his contribution is unlikely to make more than a few minutes difference, over the course of a LFR wing, compared to that of an average or bad player. The group are faced with the prospect with completing the run with someone that believes it is acceptable to insult others for poor performance, which if the group is repeatedly wiping it is already a frustrating situation, or spending a few minutes extra without having to put up with such behaviour. I know which I choose.

[Serissa]

Usually when I see someone calling bad/underperforming person I initiate votekick for that person (who call it). He's just elitist jerk in most cases who just wants attention. It's waaaaay faster to get one single replacement than wasting raid time to arguing and replace someone after every trash pack.

And before you cry "you are just bad" - no :P usually I'm in top5 in lfr :P

[Deleted]

Usually when I see someone calling bad/underperforming person I initiate votekick for that person (who call it). He's just elitist jerk in most cases who just wants attention. It's waaaaay faster to get one single replacement than wasting raid time to arguing and replace someone after every trash pack.

And before you cry "you are just bad" - no :P usually I'm in top5 in lfr :P

Top 5 in LFR is not that good.

So, you accept to kick those who speed up the Run and accept to wipe maybe 6 times at Sha of Pride for kicking those instead of crippling 25k'ish DPS? I cannot understand this and i cannot even accept your sight of things. This is just wierd. As those cripples also flame often, or go afk.

[Abysal]

The reason you get booted in that situation is because the LFR audience isn't the type that you call out publicly. If someone is under performing, send them a whisper before you call them out. No one likes to be named and shamed.

You told a complete stranger that they were bad in front of a bunch of other people. Outside of WoW, that's a total douche move, so I can see how inside WoW there's people who'd think it's a douche move and boot you for it.

[Azortharion]

Usually when I see someone calling bad/underperforming person I initiate votekick for that person (who call it). He's just elitist jerk in most cases who just wants attention. It's waaaaay faster to get one single replacement than wasting raid time to arguing and replace someone after every trash pack.

And before you cry "you are just bad" - no :P usually I'm in top5 in lfr :P

Winning in LFR is like winning in special olympics tho. ;P