Government Shutting Down

[Wells]

The only hostage-takers here are Obama and Reid. They're the ones shutting down the government. They're the ones throwing up barricades where none existed before to shut out veterans. They're the ones deliberately cutting off medical care to the elderly and children when simply signing a bill would pay for it. They're they're the ones making threats about purposefully ruining the credit of the US if they don't get everything 100% their way because they're the ones that will CHOOSE whether whether they 'prioritize' the debt payment before other payments. It isn't the Tea Party doing all that. That's your Democrat party, and that man-child specimen of a President who are taking hostages and purposefully causing suffering and pain for purely political reasons.

You do know this is a thing the GOP planned right?

[Kellhound]

Well, we will see what tomorrow brings. Until then...

[SirRobin]

There is nothing that will not put us there anyway. You will not be able to hurt the GOP enough for that until the next election.

Yes we can. We let the GOP hurt themselves, and potentially the rest of us, by letting them do exactly what they are threatening to do. We let them throw themselves on their own swords. We make them get their own house in order by refusing to do it for them.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Well, we will see what tomorrow brings. Until then...

The fate of the galaxy...err..nation rests on Washington D.C.

[obdigore]

I live in the world outside the radical-left bubble created by places like KOS and MSNBC. In this place, the sky is blue and money is a real thing that you either have or you don't have. I'm not sure what color the sky is in the fake-reality bubble created by radical leftists. Only people swallowing the bullcrap that the Tea Party is taking hostages can describe that color. But, apparently a fair number of people simmering in that bubble's gravy exist in this forum, so feel free to enlighten.

So the requirement to remove a piece of legislation that you don't have the actual votes to remove, in return for 'allowing' the government to pay the bills it has accrued and actually run, isn't taking hostages?

What would you describe it as, then?

[Sky High]

So the requirement to remove a piece of legislation that you don't have the actual votes to remove, in return for 'allowing' the government to pay the bills it has accrued and actually run, isn't taking hostages?

What would you describe it as, then?

Gonna make a wild guess but given who we are talking to; that it is a totally rational thing to do.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

So the requirement to remove a piece of legislation that you don't have the actual votes to remove, in return for 'allowing' the government to pay the bills it has accrued and actually run, isn't taking hostages?

What would you describe it as, then?

Just stop. It is not worth it. Spare yourself the sanity.

[Sunseeker]

I don't think I have ever said to give the tea party what they want.

The point is, unless you're going to kick them out of government or kill them, you can't give them anything.

I'm sure you're familiar with the saying "Give a man an inch and he'll take a mile."

[Rukentuts]

Just stop. It is not worth it. Spare yourself the sanity.

It quite amuses me though.

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The point is, unless you're going to kick them out of government or kill them, you can't give them anything.

I'm sure you're familiar with the saying "Give a man an inch and he'll take a mile."

If you give a mouse a cookie...

[The Riddler]

You do know this is a thing the GOP planned right?

The GOP "planned" the radical, fringe-kook, unprecedented, hostage-taking nature of Obama and the Democrats? That's some pretty good planning. How exactly did they plan for Obama to threaten to balk on our nation debt like he did in his whiney presser? A master stroke that. Are they controlling his brain? How'd they arrange for Reid and the Democrats to reject 11 bills that fully fund the entire government (sans Obamacare's individual mandate for 1 year)? It's some pretty god-like planning and control you guys are ascribing to a GOP leadership that is being portrayed as utterly feckless, stumbling, hapless, and incompetent.

I think this guy says it pretty well.

[OrcsRLame]

The only hostage-takers here are Obama and Reid. They're the ones shutting down the government. They're the ones throwing up barricades where none existed before to shut out veterans. They're the ones deliberately cutting off medical care to the elderly and children when simply signing a bill would pay for it. They're they're the ones making threats about purposefully ruining the credit of the US if they don't get everything 100% their way because they're the ones that will CHOOSE whether whether they 'prioritize' the debt payment before other payments. It isn't the Tea Party doing all that. That's your Democrat party, and that man-child specimen of a President who are taking hostages and purposefully causing suffering and pain for purely political reasons.

Could you help me understand something, I don't know a lot about politics, but I read from one of the news links today that there was something being voted on today, (a bill to end the shutdown or some shit) and it never even got to the Democrats and Obama because the Republicans couldn't agree on it, (or something like that) so it didn't get voted on.

Isn't that the Republican's fault, since the Dems weren't even involved as far as I can tell?

[SirRobin]

The only hostage-takers here are Obama and Reid. They're the ones shutting down the government. They're the ones throwing up barricades where none existed before to shut out veterans. They're the ones deliberately cutting off medical care to the elderly and children when simply signing a bill would pay for it. They're they're the ones making threats about purposefully ruining the credit of the US if they don't get everything 100% their way because they're the ones that will CHOOSE whether whether they 'prioritize' the debt payment before other payments. It isn't the Tea Party doing all that. That's your Democrat party, and that man-child specimen of a President who are taking hostages and purposefully causing suffering and pain for purely political reasons.

Again, Treasury does not work that way. It will take weeks if not months too change it so Treasury can "prioritize" payments. It would likely cost millions too.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/...ation/2944187/

But "prioritization,'' Washington's newest buzzword, is much easier said than done, Bell said.

The government processes 3 million to 5 million checks each day, he said. Nearly all of them are produced by machine, or the payments are made electronically, as computers at Treasury communicate with systems at agencies such as Social Security that are actually spending the money.

Deciding to make some payments and withhold others would require on-the-fly reprogramming of information systems throughout the government within days, said Bell, a former staff director of the Senate Budget Committee. It would also mean a conscious decision to skip Social Security and veterans benefits or not pay soldiers and workers, he added.

"They're not the most up-to-date computers in the world,'' Bell said. ``You just can't do it.''

And, again, good luck finding a contractor to do it, when what they are doing is making it possible for them not to get paid.

[Wells]

The GOP "planned" the radical, fringe-kook, unprecedented, hostage-taking nature of Obama and the Democrats?

1. They changed the rules in the house right before this started allowing them to keep it going as long as they wanted.
2. The GOP has been blocking Congress from going into budget conference
3. A bunch of republicans say its their fault.
4. 80 republican congressmen demanded the shutdown.

You can claim that the GOP didn't want this, but you're making yourself look like you don't know whats going on.

[frumper]

Again, Treasury does not work that way. It will take weeks if not months too change it so Treasury can "prioritize" payments.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/...ation/2944187/



And, again, good luck finding a contractor to do it, when what they are doing is making it possible for them not to get paid.

Do you think they'll be taking applications for robo signers? Maybe this could be the jobs the economy needs!

[SirRobin]

Not to mention that if Obama and Reid were the actual hostage takers? Cantor would probably not have felt the need to change the House rules so only he can let bills come to the floor for a vote.

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Do you think they'll be taking applications for robo signers? Maybe this could be the jobs the economy needs!

Maybe, but how do they pay them with the government still shut down?

[Sunseeker]

@ The Riddler in general:

I'm honestly not sure how you think government is supposed to work. Do you believe that when one side demands something, the other side should just give it to them? Because that seems to be your argument most of the time.

[frumper]

Not to mention that if Obama and Reid were the actual hostage takers? Cantor would probably not have felt the need to change the House rules so only he can let bills come to the floor for a vote.

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Maybe, but how do they pay them with the government still shut down?

Oh I think if they hire people to write checks that part will take care of itself.

[SirRobin]

Oh I think if they hire people to write checks that part will take care of itself.

Like EBT cards with no limits at Walmart?

[frumper]

Like EBT cards with no limits at Walmart?

You have the mind of a criminal! I just meant they'd negotiate through the proper chan....yea, like the EBT mess.

[SirRobin]

1. They changed the rules in the house right before this started allowing them to keep it going as long as they wanted.
2. The GOP has been blocking Congress from going into budget conference
3. A bunch of republicans say its their fault.
4. 80 republican congressmen demanded the shutdown.

You can claim that the GOP didn't want this, but you're making yourself look like you don't know whats going on.

Might also want to add that when even right-wingers like Pat Robertson and Rush Limbaugh tell the Republicans to back off? Kind of shoots the whole, "its Obama and Reids fault," nonsense in the dick.