US Guilds only 23% of the Top 100 for 10m Raiding.

[NewOrleansTrolley]

This is why I don't take the internet seriously anymore.

Title says "US guilds only 23% of the top 100 for 10 man raiding."

[Bakis]

Also the US traditionally never been very good at PC gaming.
Northern Europe, South Korea, latest Russia are producing the best players within CS, Dota, SC2, WoT and every other topgame.
In fact the US traditionally only performed compareable with the EU regarding WoW and that can be debateable especially when looking at progression up to and including TBC.

[Palinn]

Two good reasons for this..

The first is geographic distribution - the US guilds come from a collection of people spread out across an entire continent. So the distribution of "talent" will be spread out more across the guilds. However, in EU guilds you typically find (not always, mind you) a collection of people from a more concentrated area - say a guild of mostly Swedish or mostly french players. Since the population is more concentrated, the talent will be also. It could also be argued that those people who are playing outside of their area.. A Spanish player in a British guild are probably better educated as well since they'd more than likely be bilingual. (of course, I have no idea what percentage of people in the different areas in the EU are bilingual or how it relates to education).

Second reason.. America's education system is absolutely terrible. Having a good logical/problem solving skill set will be more likely for the average EU player than it will be for the US player.

[Bakis]

Two good reasons for this..

The first is geographic distribution - the US guilds come from a collection of people spread out across an entire continent. So the distribution of "talent" will be spread out more across the guilds. However, in EU guilds you typically find (not always, mind you) a collection of people from a more concentrated area - say a guild of mostly Swedish or mostly french players. Since the population is more concentrated, the talent will be also.
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I would argue that you generally get more skilled people depending on the sample size, not their proximity.
Dont really see how I become a better player just cos I play a game over the internet with someone living close.

No thats false, more important parameters are internet infrastructure, computer habits/experiences, ammount of people who can afford a PC including kids/teens and most importantly the gaming tradition if any, for example PC/console ratios.

I got my first own personal computer at the age of 7, C64 back then and so did most of my friends, laid the ground for me sort of

[Deleted]

This thread has turned into nothing more than some anti-European bigotry, while the opening statement wasn't even phrased agressively towards US gamers.

[LocNess]

This thread has turned into nothing more than some anti-European bigotry, while the opening statement wasn't even phrased agressively towards US gamers.

Basically the exact opposite of the General Off-Topic forums, heh.

[Xires]

US here. My job lasts aslong as it takes me to get the work done. Sometimes my days are 5 hours...sometimes they are 7 or 8...and on rare occasions they have been 10-14 hours. The thing is...if I work 5 hours that day or 14...I get paid the same. (this isnt the same with all jobs...just this one) Then I get 5 vacation days AND I have to tell my boss a MONTH in advance when I want those days off AND those days do NOT roll over into the next year...they reset. You dont actually have "sick days" either. If you cant get your shit done say on Wednesday cause you were out sick...well then...you will work THAT Saturday to get your shit done. Pro's and Con's to this job to the extreme.


Oh, ummm...OT: I used to raid heroics and all..but I just dont care enough to do it anymore and I dont want to spend 4-5 nights a week raiding and/or wiping for hours to kill a boss on Heroic. I'm glad they have flex raid because it fits me nicely these days. (yaaay!!! no more having to que for LFR!!!!) I raid on tue and thur from 7:30-10:30 and honestly thats just fine by me as I dont care about world first or realm first or anything like that anymore. I think there are just more gamers in the EU that take more time to play this game then there are in the US...simple as that.

[Bakis]

Basically the exact opposite of the General Off-Topic forums, heh.

Hahah true that, a welcomed change even though I cant say I've read much EU-bashing at least not on the leve of US-bashing the OT supply

[ThunderTaco]

How long till Europeans learn that Europe is a continent not a country. Stop saying LOLZ EUZ IS BETTERZ! Well thats sad it takes your whole continent to put down one country just to feel better about yourself.

And what about people living in the USA that keep calling themselves "Americans" ?

[Deleted]

When did Germany fall back into times from some 60 years ago?

Yes, you work 40 hours a week, but your regular work week is 35 hours average, and the difference goes towards your "paid time off" account. It adds to your vacation amount. Of course some people work on Saturdays, some even on Sundays, otherwise you won't get anything in stores, you won't get your Saturday and Sunday newspaper. Nor the Monday paper either, since that's made Sundays.
And weekend/holiday work is desired since it pays royally to do so.

I got that same time account you're talking about, but my contract is still 38 hours.
35 is pretty usual in west germany, but since politics here still behave like were beeing 5 years post WW2, there is nothing really equal between east and west germany, neither work hours, nor payment.

Same company, different state, more cash, less work, it's retarded.
Anyways, even here you have those contracts, especially for temporary workers, yet you still WILL work 40 hours, no matter what.

So yea, we didn't fall back to that time, we never left it lol

[Deleted]

9. US players just don't care enough about a video game to play it 16 hours a day to win an unofficial race with no rewards. (Possibly, but seeing as the American culture is oft generalized as being very competitive, as evidenced by their success in many branches of professional sports, I doubt they care less about competitive video gaming. No visible reward? Recognition, admiration and bragging rights are very visible, just not tangible).

I don't think this point is true.

America is known for 3 sports. American Football, Baseball and Basketball. These 3 sports are not widely played anywhere else in the world and is mainly an American cultural thing. So you can;t say you are succesfull at it when you are pretty much the only country that plays it.

The only sport I can think of off the top of my head where America is best is Boxing. I believe America to be the best boxing country and that branches out into other martial art related sports like the UFC etc.

But besides boxing I don't think America are known for being good at one of the big world wide sports (Football, Tennis, Motor Racing, Athletics, Rugby, Badminton)

Not 'dissing' America because I love American boxers but I just don' t see them being great in other sports.

[S7orm]

His point still stands. If the US all participated as seperate states, like the EU do as seperate countries, then China would dominate.

what's the point in dividing the states of a single country other than win an already lost argument? but if you really want to split things up, count people and China will get obliterated

[Ailylia]

ITT: Lots of anecdotal evidence and speculation.

Also lots of people taking it personal. Just because your country is good/bad at something as a whole, doesn't mean you personally are good/bad at something.

[Toxigen]

Simple fact: average EU works far less than average American.

Therefore, average EU WoW player has more time to dedicate to progression. Therefore, there are more hardcore progression EU guilds than US.

It isn't a matter of skill here, people...its the blatant fact that Euros don't work as much.

[Snuglz]

From my personal experience and If you really pay attention to logs, EU players clutter the top ranks more often than US players do. Some of the best dps players in the game are on the EU.

[twelvethirty]

I don't think this point is true.

America is known for 3 sports. American Football, Baseball and Basketball. These 3 sports are not widely played anywhere else in the world and is mainly an American cultural thing. So you can;t say you are succesfull at it when you are pretty much the only country that plays it.

The only sport I can think of off the top of my head where America is best is Boxing. I believe America to be the best boxing country and that branches out into other martial art related sports like the UFC etc.

But besides boxing I don't think America are known for being good at one of the big world wide sports (Football, Tennis, Motor Racing, Athletics, Rugby, Badminton)

Not 'dissing' America because I love American boxers but I just don' t see them being great in other sports.

Just because Baseball and Football are not global sports doesn't make them unsuccessful here in the US. Basketball is very popular around the world.

[sizzlinsauce]

I can speak for americans. we are retarded.

[Notdev]

Europe is a continent. (Population ~739.2 million)
USA is a country. (Population ~313.9 million)

[Bakis]

Simple fact: average EU works far less than average American.

Therefore, average EU WoW player has more time to dedicate to progression. Therefore, there are more hardcore progression EU guilds than US.

It isn't a matter of skill here, people...its the blatant fact that Euros don't work as much.

Gross simplification even if it had a shred of truth to it but whatever floats your boat.
Hint, the ammount of working people in the topguilds are not what you think.

[cyqu]

Are you dense ? The numbers I quoted are THE LAW in France. Minimum hours per week is 35 (actually only state workers work that amount, most ppl work more than that), maximum per year is 5 weeks if you work for a private company, 6 weeks if you're a state worker. Stop spreading your racist nonsense (even if the moderators allow you to do so).

The 35-hour working week was in the Socialist Party's 1981 electoral program, titled 110 Propositions for France. The 35 hours was the legal standard limit, after which further working time was to be considered overtime. A 10.2% decrease in the hours extracted from each worker.

so if you are unable to understand that, it means you need to work a maximum of 35hours to gain access to overtime pay, no were does it mean you have to work 35hours a week.
if you would like to actually show me some proof of your statements with any sort of link then i would gladly ready it.