I am quite amused how you wrap everything around gear. You know, noone (I mean, noone of adequate people who play this game) really cares what colour of tier you are wearing, or what title has your epic. Gear is no more than a tool that gives you ability to kill more bosses in less time. Always was, always will be.
LFR has good side and bad side. Good side is its availability and convenience, giving lots of people a way to have fun without great commitment to shedules and other connected with raiding activity things. Bad thing is leechers/AFKers. This kind of "players" should not be able to receive any reward, because they don't deserve any reward, because they are not participating. Trust me guys, it is in our common interests that Blizzard invent some way to punish leechers/AFKers. It is not even hard, the tech is already there - look at BG "report AFK" option.
Also. By creating such a topic you're doing the very same things you believe "elitists" do to you. There are thousands of people who are normal raiders, who don't care at all about LFR. It is not a good thing to generalise.
Reason I hate LFR in easy step by step format:
1. LFR is full of players who are honestly bad at this game. Maybe it's because they're bots, maybe they're just kids who are up past their bedtime, but there's way too many DPS pulling auto-attack level DPS.
2. The content is set up in a way that encourages this behavior. Day 1 nerfs is taking things way too far. IMO there should be no tier of content where sitting afk on auto attack the whole time is viable. If half your raid is auto-attacking, or not pushing the panic button on Ultraxion, they should wipe.
3. The system is set up in a way to protect bad players. First of all, it's near impossible to kick guys from LFR right now. Most people either vote no on the kick and call you elitist for not wanting an auto-attacker, or are afk and therefor auto-vote no when the timer expires. So you're left with the good players dropping group early and getting hit with the deserter debuff.
Solution: Raise the requirement. Perhaps change from an iLevel requirement to a proving grounds requirement. At least that way there's more control over how good you are (especially for tanks/healers, and would likely purge the auto-attacking DPS).
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I am a multi-Realm First player...well I used to be, now I am a just a casual player because I could no longer commit to the time. I now use LFR exclusively, and what annoys me the most is people who do other formats, then bitch and moan in LFR.
Some people have the nerve to call my dps or healing out when I am in ilvl470 and there in ilvl520+. I am doing 80k and they can faceroll 120K, and it look like I am the bad player. But with their gear they should be doing 200K+
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The dps inflation of ilvl gear is a huge problem at the moment, pisses me off so much when someone comes in to LFR 50+ilvl on me acting like a tough guy.
I'm with you 100% Dotcha! The iLevel power inflation is completly out of control.
I do LFR as a healer and every fight is different so that healing numbers vary a lot. But I like to look up some of the other healers and compare how I did to them on a given fight.
If I'm about 510 iLevel I will do roughly the same amount of healing as most other 510 level healers. Sometimes a certain class will benefit from the mechanics of a fight and sometimes people really slack which shows in recount on their activity level.
But if I compare myself to a 530 level healer they will often be doing TWICE my healing and a 550 level will be doing FOUR times as much or more. I've seen Heroic geared healers doing EIGHT times my healing.
Does this make any sense? Should a 20 point jump in gear double healing or dps? It's just a carrot that blizzard tosses to players. Keep grinding and you get mighty. But it's out of control.
It trivializes content and trivializes the contribution of other players. How do you thnk it feels when you are a new level 90 and you go to do a Heroic 5 man and some guy farming valor does 20 times your DPS?
I've been in LFRs where some Heroic level healer will whine endlessly about how his healing is carrying the raid. And I'm thinking "why in the living hell are you even here?"
The problem with LFR is not that the players who choose to "raid" this way are necessarily bad players, but that because the mechanics of the encounters are so forgiving, players don't care about doing well in that mode.
Sure, some players do care about doing well, and they give it their all when in an LFR encounter. Kudos to them. However, like I said, because most players know you can effectually sleep through the encounters and get loot, the general mass of players dont try.
Why is this even an issue in regards to LFR?
What do you get from LFR that takes so much away from normal raiding? Especially in this patch there are more exclusive rewards for normal raiders than ever before. Hell I think its more of an issue that the whole Glory to the Raider can be done on Flex, if you want to beat your chest about something that would seem the more obvious choice. (considering you used to have to kill bosses on heroic for it)
See there is the problem, you assume that because a person uses LFR that they do nothing for their rewards, truth of the matter is that the majority in there do try and they have to try harder than they normally would because they have to drag a few losers with them across the finish line. You are that guy who gets cut off in traffic and flipped off so you tell everyone that no one knows how to drive and everyone is psychotic but you passed 300 cars and you don't remember them because they were following the rules of the road. But oh no, there's nothing but bads in LFR.
I also point out that several people here who profess to being progression heroic raiders will openly admit that when they go into LFR they go afk because until it gets hard it is not worth their time. The problems in LFR are caused by just as many elite players as casuals. If they stopped shitting in the pool and everyone rolled LFR then Blizzard would up the difficulty.
Can I assume you are a heroic raider who doesn't like LFR because it's to easy and you want it removed?
So, by your own logic, you are going into LFR with your high level raiding gear making all the LFR boss mechanics trivial for everyone else...essentially ruining the difficulty level for all the rest of us.
Thanks heroic raiders...thanks for ruining LFR for all of us 8(
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I come to play. If I don't want to play I'll bow out and leave them to it.
Honestly, I find the pride that people take in AFKing through LFR sort of a mystery. "Hey, look at me, I'm a parasite and loving it." It may be an accident but most of the time when I see someone like this their gear is better than mine. So I know it's not a competence thing. Then people have the nerve to blame it on LFR as if LFR forces them to queue up for a while and then do nothing once they're in. It's all BS and I hope that Blizzard finds a solution for it.
As for ungemmed gear, yeah I understand this but I don't fully gem my gear either when I'm gearing up and replacing stuff every week although I'll put something appropriate in there, just maybe not the very best thing I could. Fully gemmed and enchanted gear isn't really a requirement to down bosses in LFR in any case. Doing more than auto-attacking is though.
If we can fix that and fix the clowns in 540+ gear that die seven seconds into the trash then maybe it will be time to look into that.
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Yes, the content is too easy. On top of that, there have been instances where heroic raiders have been "required" to go into LFR because of tier set bonuses being so good. Though the real problem is that the format was designed for people who don't have time for organized raiding yet it has as much of a time sync as regular raiding does, if not more and it's not a social experience at all.
You're not in touch with reality. The bosses will die without you coming even close to appropriate class perfomance.
And while not everyone can do it simultaneously, you're chances of success are still quite good despite really low performance. Especially now with "determination" buff. Jesus, did they really have to give it that name? Seriously! LOL
This is exactly the issue right here that people have with a lot of raiders in WoW.
This narcissistic attitude and need to be special snowflakes, I have no idea if it arises from real life where they don't get noticed or see themselves get overlooked as the "jocks" (to coin the American phrase) get all the attention and girls, i'm sure some psychologist could tell you.
People who can only be happy in the game if they are able to look down on everybody else. People who are only happy if everybody is sat around admiring them.
The other 6 million players want to be able to experience the core focus of the game without the ability to dedicate so much time to the game? TOUGH SHIT, MY WAY OR THE HIGHWAY. ENJOY YOUR 5 MANS SCRUBS.
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Indeed it's a ridiculous standpoint that isn't valid in the vast majority of cases.
Most people who don't raid don't want to just because they want all the epics for free, they want raiding because it's Blizzard's core focus of development time and endgame content and they want to experience it
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I can dedicate 6-7 hours to raiding a week.
I can't dedicate the same 6-7 hours to raiding a week...
That is the reason LFR exists.
My guess is that if Blizzard removed LFR at this point, they would need to add about 2 new heroic 5 mans each raid wing in order to retain the subscriptions of the non-raiders. Blizzard has stated that making a new 5 mans is almost as much work as making a new raid tier. That would be a huge increase in the amount of development time for each patch.
Now if you are thinking, "Who needs those players anyway," according to Blizzard's old numbers where ~60% participate in LFR but only 10% participate in normal/heroic raiding; that would be a pretty big blow to their sub numbers...especially since Blizzard believes that these players would not move on to raiding at a higher difficulty level but would rather quit.
There have been some decent arguments made that Flex could replace LFR. However, I don't think a decent argument can be made that Flex raiding could replace adding new heroic 5 mans.
In my ideal world, Blizzard would switch to making the two new 5 mans each raid wing and LFR would be released as a raid-tier-behind thing that awarded the old normal-mode raid gear. When you think about the implications of this, it would result in a lot more content at any given moment for both raiders and non-raiders. Regardless, I understand why Blizzard is doing things the way they are doing them.
When Blizzard employs you and shares the REAL numbers with you, then you'll know what causes what. Until then, stop throwing your opinions around like it's fact. You're fueling the problem, not solving it.