Trial of the Gladiator, Connected Realms Update, Flying in WoD, WoD Blue Posts

[Narshe]

I didn't notice a giant amount of criticism for no flying during Isle of Thunder or Timeless Isle, but maybe I just didn't notice. I like flying once I hit max level, it feels like something you unlock for reaching it. Its really not a huge deal for me to wait 3 months to be able to fly though.

[SkyeMcCloud]

I don't know if you noticed but to keep up and stay competitive you have stuff to do on daily basis and no flying = a lot more time every day

I don't mind taking longer to get to 100 ... actually I would prefer it taking longer really, I do mind taking longer to do stuff you kinda have to do every day/week/... to stay at the ''top'' and be able to stay competitive so you can do the content properly (raids)

It's funny how they said they're trying to, y'know, NOT do that with WoD. They want to move away from just daily grinding every day. They want the max level quest experience to be just that; quests. You do them once and that's it. Yes, you'll see some dailies, but if they keep to what they said you'll see a lot less. They're trying to find a balance in it all, and that takes experimenting. A dungeon-only model, as was the way for many factions back in vanilla and BC, wasn't fun. The tabards were nice but made it way TOO easy, because people could ignore dailies if they wanted. Doing dailies is just taxing. So let's see what they plan to try out next and see if it works.

[markdall]

I don't really see the problem with not being able to fly in Draenor. Seems like people are just complaining over something trivial.

Heh. Roll on a PVP server - make sure you're in the losing faction population-wise - play there for a good six months, and then say that again. Me, I play on a PVE server now and couldn't care less, other than it's really insulting and makes my characters feel much less heroic. Oh and my remaining alts on that PVP server are even more super dead to me now.

"Nah, never mind, editing it out. Everyone is just going to focus on that and make assumptions about what that means." <-- Really Blizz? And what does that tell you? That your decision is unpopular? That we hate the very idea of having to quest to get flying back in the first place? How about a 1 step quest immediately after the patch drops, or an item in our mailboxes from a super-smart gnome or goblin which magically/mechanically enables us to fly?

That said, they've acknowledged the bigger problem a couple of times - that basically each expansion pack sets to a relative level 1 and you have to level up from scratch, and so far making us feel badass at the beginning is really hard without making the game feel too easy.

Finally, I do appreciate their words on why they don't just make flying dangerous and be done with it. I had brought this up a number of times. They said it's an engine and game system thing. While that's too bad, it's at least understandable.

[Gilian]

As I said before, Blizzard spoiled ppl so much that now looks like they are taking off a candy from a baby...
Stop being lazy, summon your stupid horse and walk, look for chests, for rare mobs, kill things, kill ppl, explore, run, die, laugh, it's a damn MMORPG...

"No no no no no. I have paid what? something like 100,000 gold to buy flight for all my alts? You make us pay more gold to learn to fly in new zones and now you're taking this away from us? "

I paid just as much for riding skills "back in the day" as today while gold wasn't as available as it is now. That when you hit max level you have 20k gold from questing only.
You actually had to farm the gold instead of having it automatically from questing. As a new player I wasn't even able to buy basic riding skills without having to get gold from somewhere unlike now. And it took me quite some time to get 5k gold for my epic flying skill during TBC while now I just buy it instantly as soon as I ding max level without the help of other characters.

So yeah I agree, spoiled. If I had children and they complained like some people here... that's really not going to fly.

I don't even understand why it matters if you fly, ride or walk as long as it's fun. If it's about the gold, everyone paid for it and we have never been able to fly straight away in a new expansion except cataclysm for very good reasons...

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Heh. Roll on a PVP server - make sure you're in the losing faction population-wise - play there for a good six months, and then say that again. Me, I play on a PVE server now and couldn't care less, other than it's really insulting and makes my characters feel much less heroic. Oh and my remaining alts on that PVP server are even more super dead to me now.

You heard about connected realms by now I hope. They are actually trying to fix this right now...

Also, having to PvP on a PvP server. Logic?

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I might be in a minority but I support the idea of no flying until first major patch.

Game designers go to a tremendous amount of effort in designing these new zones, and they want us to be able to see everything first hand as opposed to just flying past it all.

They just want us to see the zones in all it's glamour and glory. It's not a bad thing at all.

I support it too. You will experience the content much better and you will have a lot more fun that way.
Sometimes they just have to force players to do something to make it work out.

[Tarx]

We gona lost the fun of killing ungeared people in 3sec. It was quite awesome.

[Shudder]

I'm convinced they're trying to make as many people cancel.

1. Let's do an item squish and make people log in and freak out cause they feel weaker.
2. Let's take away flying from them for 3 months. Did all those dailies to unlock your awesome onyx cloud serpent? Suck it up you won't be seeing it for awhile!
3. Let's change your character and when you don't like it tell you to suck it up and pay to fix it!
4. You like raiding in a 10m? Too bad! Go recruit an entire raid team or quit, we don't care!
5. Removing gear customization cause that stuff is too hard gaiz!

It's interesting that they seem to like to try and piss off as many people they can at the start of expansions. Then they spend the rest of the expansion doing interviews saying they regret what they did. It's so weird. And we all know they aren't done. There will probably be two or three more announcements sure to drive even more people away.

[Zokten]

3. I looooove the excuses they're giving for charging for character transfers. Have they seen the realm inbalances? Charging didn't stop it. People still hopped around. Other mmo's don't charge to change servers. I wonder why that is.

GW2 was a prime example of the terrible side of free transfers

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People don't take the time to explore and have fun. Maybe it's because WoW has become to much of a hurry to end-game and beat the bosses race to the finish deal. I prefer that feeling of taking my time and enjoying it and understanding the reasons why I'm going to this new area, and what it is I need to understand and explore

Blizzard is partly to blame for that mentality

[Soeroah]

It's cute that you guys on a gaming forum think you're the majority. Newsflash, you're not. The casuals will roar when they can't find the guy selling flying at 100. I look forward to it.

I remember this exact explanation being offered for every expansion/patch killing WoW.

"You might think the majority of players like X expansion/patch but just wait and see the subscriber count plummet".

Yet here we are, after a successful Panda-based expansion, looking forward to another great expansion on the horizon.

I look forward to the expansion too. Gonna be great getting some mileage out of my ground mounts for a while, and the feeling of flying when it comes in 6.1 will be all the sweeter!

[Schwert]

And while everybody is whining about flying...

Arena rewards have become locked out even more to most of the playerbase including Gladiator level players who don't live in the US or want to have a life outside the game.
They needed to attract more people to rated PvP and give out more rewards to more people to get the wheel turning; Not give the same few people the same thing over and over again.
Holy hell.

[Shudder]

I remember this exact explanation being offered for every expansion/patch killing WoW.

"You might think the majority of players like X expansion/patch but just wait and see the subscriber count plummet".

Yet here we are, after a successful Panda-based expansion, looking forward to another great expansion on the horizon.

I look forward to the expansion too. Gonna be great getting some mileage out of my ground mounts for a while, and the feeling of flying when it comes in 6.1 will be all the sweeter!

You think losing subscribers is successful? You must be a Blizzard employee.

[thorvath]

I remember this exact explanation being offered for every expansion/patch killing WoW.

"You might think the majority of players like X expansion/patch but just wait and see the subscriber count plummet".

Yet here we are, after a successful Panda-based expansion, looking forward to another great expansion on the horizon.

I look forward to the expansion too. Gonna be great getting some mileage out of my ground mounts for a while, and the feeling of flying when it comes in 6.1 will be all the sweeter!

Uh like 3 million people stopped playing. And a lot of those that stayed basically bitched about dailies and LFR the whole expac. I don't see Wrath losing it's "Golden Age" status anytime soon.

[Deleted]

Uh like 3 million people stopped playing. And a lot of those that stayed basically bitched about dailies and LFR the whole expac. I don't see Wrath losing it's "Golden Age" status anytime soon.

wrath was amazing, it had my fav zones, my fav raid, I liked the main city actually being in Northrend instead of SW and Org (because you spent enough time in those 2 even then) ... it just generally had the best feel to it all

I would love to play it all again but sadly it's now impossible to play anything from wotlk normally :'(

Cata was imo the worst expansion to date (one of the worst things in cata for me were zones and so far draenor zones sound to me like they could be quite similar), MoP I really like but it's not what wotlk used to be (I especially love teh pandaria zones, but even that will soon be forgotten)

I love wow because of it's world and the savage primal land of Draenor (as it was described) just doesn't sound to me like something I would want to spend a lot of time in, storm peaks, howling fjord, grizzly hills, kun lai summit, jade forrest, valley of the 4 winds, ... those kinds of zones I love because thy are beautiful to just explore and travel around

[Gilian]

I'm convinced they're trying to make as many people cancel.

1. Let's do an item squish and make people log in and freak out cause they feel weaker.
2. Let's take away flying from them for 3 months. Did all those dailies to unlock your awesome onyx cloud serpent? Suck it up you won't be seeing it for awhile!
3. Let's change your character and when you don't like it tell you to suck it up and pay to fix it!
4. You like raiding in a 10m? Too bad! Go recruit an entire raid team or quit, we don't care!
5. Removing gear customization cause that stuff is too hard gaiz!

It's interesting that they seem to like to try and piss off as many people they can at the start of expansions. Then they spend the rest of the expansion doing interviews saying they regret what they did. It's so weird. And we all know they aren't done. There will probably be two or three more announcements sure to drive even more people away.

So they should not make any changes? That will also piss people off. If they make riding skill cost one gold more people will be pissed off... apparently :S.

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You think losing subscribers is successful? You must be a Blizzard employee.

Making flying mounts available will obviously fix that!

[Sarevokcz]

In reality, the whiners about no flying till 6.1 are the vocal minority. MMO Champ already has polls showing favor to no flying so in reality, it's not a problem, it's just the whiners whining too much.

Cant wait for the next expac!

you have it backwards, son. the vocal minority are the ultrahardcore blizzard fans on these boards, while casuals, who will be impacted most by this change arent even here. thats why the polls (barely) show pro-change support, because you are in the vocal minority.

[Durandro]

you have it backwards, son. the vocal minority are the ultrahardcore blizzard fans on these boards, while casuals, who will be impacted most by this change arent even here. thats why the polls (barely) show pro-change support, because you are in the vocal minority.

Let events speak for themselves, "son".

The level of whine on the forums vastly outnumbers that in-game. No-one in my guild has vocalised any real issues with the current news. Tradechat isn't being spammed by butthurt players. The only tears I see are here and on official forums.

Please, carry on. Make assumptions and prejudge and complain. Its amusing to those of us who've seen it all happen before, and know that waiting patiently for the end result usually results in few disappointments.

[phyx]

Well, if the people who'll leave share any similarities in opinion with some of these posters, I don't see that as a bad thing.

Yes, having by far the largest MMO in history a decade after it's release is successful. It's pretty obvious why WotlK was peak of WoW. They did mess some things up along the road but even if they didn't people would leave. It's how games work. Especially games that are 10 years old.

I salute no-flying decision. I has a lot of pros and the only con it really has is that they are taking fastest means of travel. Travel. Travel.

[Deleted]

Still no hearthstone key, huge sadness upon me!

[Reignisevil]

I don't see the issue about no flying...Why is that bad...? It's been done in the past..

They made it pretty clear that they're taking away server first 100
You don't even have to fly to dungeons anymore cause you got LFG system
If you do have rep items needed again, you can use flight path to get to the quartermaster in that town
Why would you want to skip mobs if they give you xp? Or can you not just follow the road and have to be that daring person who likes to run in everything?
Gold is so easy to get now, that you'll eventually be ok to buy it once it does come out I don't even know how that's even a reliable counter-argument..

I just don't get it...What is no flying really taking away...laziness? I have some pretty hot ground mounts that I look forward to using again. I feel likes people are trying to make them change their minds...they couldn't do it with 20-man mythics..so moving on to the next thing..

I doubt people can even just sit down..and actually wait till the expac is out to start giving real feedback...It's not even out yet...you haven't even experienced it yet...why in heaven's name are people complaining. I feel like people are kids that get a new type of food in front of their face..say they don't like it without trying..and then when forced to eat it...it becomes their favorite type of food. If you don't like it..well darn..the least you can do is try without saying anything until you're 100% sure.

[Deleted]

I'm sick of people moaning about no flying. I'm surprised Blizz is even answering these questions anymore. They are doing it to make gameplay more fun not just to spite you. If you can fly you can just pick up the quest, fly in a straight line to the objective, complete it and fly straight back. Where's the fun in that? I loved questing in Pandaria when it was released, making my way through the zones with friends, deciding to move to a new zone and finding the way there. So can we please stop with the stupid questions so we can get some real info.

For example does anyone know how heirlooms will work. They plan to change stats on a piece of gear if you change spec. Will it be the same for heirlooms? Will there just be a plate, leather, mail, cloth set now or the same as usual? If so will it not feel a bit strange when everything else changes to your spec except the heirlooms?

[Deleted]

In reality, the whiners about no flying till 6.1 are the vocal minority. MMO Champ already has polls showing favor to no flying so in reality, it's not a problem, it's just the whiners whining too much.

Cant wait for the next expac!

The MMO comunity is full of elitistjerks and special snowflakes .

Every time when Blizzard did something mosty of them wanted , the game lost a huge amount of subscribers.

Because the huge silent majority vote with the wallets , not on MMO-Champion.