You do realize that the expansion doesn't even have a release date, right? The item squish was supposed to come this expansion, but it didn't happen. They may say there's a squish next expansion, but until that happens, it's still just speculation even from Blizzard. You keep talking about the new expansion in the present tense as if it's already out. When it comes out then you can make comments about my ignorance, but until then you know as much about it as I do, even if I don't know anything about it. This is why I qualified my statement with "unless they actually go through with the item squish."
I don't mean I rage quit after 1 wipe, I'm talking continuous failure even after the mechanics have been pointed out.
First off I didn't say I wasn't in a guild, second I know that I can make my own group that doesn't change the fact that If I try to run this on an alt it's very very difficult if guild isn't raiding. Trying to pug a Flex with an alt that has 530ish gear on my server is very difficult everyone wants 540+. I'm not talking about wing 4 either, just for Flex 1 and 2. It's not impossible to Flex, but it's far from casual imo.
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I know that raids are getting nerfed. But trying to get a ToT run off the ground instead of doing LFR is difficult, ToT is still significantly harder than LFR, and the gear is still sub-LFR. Sometimes there are ToT groups, but very rarely, and most are mount farm groups looking for high level players.
The comment about enchanting is just saying that it does impact me, despite avoiding it like the plague. Now Timeless Isle is just as bad, same as other catchup heroics we have seen in the past, but LFR does offer the crafting pieces from previous patches, although that is more crafting than enchanting, which is why in 5.2 normal mode blood spirits were dirt cheap for the 496 gear they could craft. If we didn't have LFR, at least part of the expansion the enchanting market would be different, especially at the start when dungeons are mostly blue drops.
I'm cynical, sue me. A description of their skill is no reflection of the community. Somebody playing like crap is playing like crap. The fact remains that when you have no need to group up, talk to others at all or even join a guild/pug and still complete the entire game in an MMO, there is a problem. LFG was bad but you still needed to work with others for raiding. Guilds are just for perks, not playing with others, you can down every boss in the game without typing in chat a single time. That is absolutely crushing the community.
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It is completely casual because 540 is a casual item level right now.
Legendary cloak+Ordos+Timeless+LFR is more than enough to get into 540, and all of that is casual content. And again, the 540 groups are not looking for progression, they have done their progression they are looking to farm. Don't join a farming group if you need to do progression. The problem since the beginning of the game is new players want to join groups instead of joining other new players and doing their own progression.
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No there IS a squish next expansion they have already announced it and it was working at Blizzcon. They were looking at having a squish this expansion but they never promised anything. Its no longer something that is being discussed in meetings, it is already implemented.
Release dates come out before game information right?
You still have to group up to run LFR. The difference is that you're grouping up with random people. You still have to talk to others to win fights in LFR. The difference is that you have to speak to strangers. Why is it so bad that you can actually achieve limited success in a MMO by interacting with strangers? Where is the rule requiring you to play with the same 25 people week in and week out to "properly" play a MMO?
No it's not. What's crushing the community is players who refuse to politely interact with strangers who may or may not be encountering content for the first time.
Your definition of casual differs from mine. 528 is casual. 540 is not.
If you get extremely lucky with the Ordos kills, and those don't even begin until you've gotten the cloak. Also, casual players are going to spend an awfully long time grinding for that cloak. 10 sigils of power + 10 sigils of wisdom + loot the sha of fear + prince rep to exalted + 2 pvp battle ground victories + 3000 VP grind + commander blood hilt + 20 secrets of the empire + 40 trillium + lei shen + solo quest + nalak + 12 titan rune stones + 4 celestials is not something that is casually done over a couple of weeks. Once you've gotten the cloak, even assuming you're fully geared in LFR you have (15 * 528 + 602) / 16 = 532 ilevel. To get that up to
540 you'll need to add a total of 118 ilevels to your gear. You can get up to 14 ilevels from upgrading so that's max upgrades on nine pieces of gear, or 4500 valor points. Yes, it is feasible to get 540 without running flex, but the process is far from casual.
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Game information is unreliable until the release. The Adventures of Thrall was working and implemented but it was never released. Just because you saw it working and implemented at Blizzcon doesn't mean it will be in the final product. I've been following Blizzard games long enough (since 1995) to know that just because they say it will be one way doesn't mean it will be so.
The 250k was in normal. And I agree, I'm not going to go around trying to get a job because "I can heal in wow so you should hire me!". Prestige is usually confined within the activity it is for (or to spectators of that activity). Someone could be a world champion dune buggy racer and I could give half a shit, cuz I don't care about dune buggy racing. I don't think any wow player expects any kind of prestige outside the wow community.
I know its not all gear, but gear does help/limit your skill. I think they will go though with the stat squish, so we will probably be back to healing 20k/sec or something like that.
Gear squish is coming, even if it breaks the game in various places. The reason Garrosh needs 3 health pools is because he'd have more health than the maximum the games engine can support otherwise.
They need to REALLY nerf peoples DPS, or bosses will need to have 20 health pools by the end of the xpac.
If the boss died I don't care about getting rid of "bads" except for the ones that are AFK not even keeping up with the group as it moves along. Those are probably the heroic raiders who are "too good" for LFR but who are "forced" to do it anyway for some reason.
My usual reaction to someone posting recount and saying "OK kick XXX he did 23k" is to vote to kick the guy posting the recount, and I am usually not the first person to do it.
I for one give it my all even when I step foot in an LF"R". There is really no benefit to being one of the scrubs that goes there to be carried, specially when they are geared to where they should be the ones doing the carry.
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6', 220 lbs, three black belts, 8 years experience full contact fighting, and willing to give as good as i get.
as to throwing down the reserve card, you must only have experience in the newer kinder army of the present. my basic training was before the "its ok to be a degenerate" movement in the military.
my first experience with someone taking offense to me in basic the drill sergeant locked us both in a barracks bay till we "worked it out".
Flex was not designed to be LF"R", or else your choice in who you group with would be removed just like it.
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actually incorrect, as the the new "heroic" mode will be nothing more than normal with a new name attached to it. per blue posts.
so there will be
super easy
easy
hard
which granted they may take the steps needed to make hard mode, or mythic super hard however they have stated repeatedly that heroic will just be a face over of normal, or in better terms a sell out to entitled players who want to wear the name "heroic raider" without having earned it, much like LF"R" only players consider themselves raiders now.
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you cannot win an argument agains someone who is going to compare going to a dance club which is not a competitive hobby to one that is.
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absolutely correct. if someone wanted to step up to raiding in the past they maximized their toon the best they could outside of raid and got in as a pug or in an alt run of a competent guild and got some experience then moved up through some feeder guilds until they reached their level of competence.
there was no need for hand me down candy land raiding.
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If I was busy meeting members of the opposite sex my 5'10 125 lb slovenian underwear model wife would become quite upset with me. So I will quite happily stay out of the bars and no longer come home with bruises and contusions from a tournament. I have earned my arm chair general time at WOW.
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A good portion of posters on this forum do tend to be from countries where English is not the first language.
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Well, yes you can. But that is certainly a topic for another thread.
What is the salary of the president?
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Really? Likeability? Hi guys, let me tell you a nice fire side story. Are you comfortable? Do you have enough s'mores? You know what that raid leader gets? He gets players that show up 10 minutes late then bitch that they were sat and a raid that muddles down to nothing as 24 other alpha individuals walk all over him on the way to their next guild.
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All insults pointed at lack of capability to comprehend simple mechanics and how to react to them, that statement hits it on the head. LF"R" is designed so that you should be able to complete it with little or no organization whatsoever. THAT is why it brings on the ire of some players who are offended by it's mere existence as a means for others to obtain nearly what they have but for no investment.
There is no Bad RNG just Bad LTP
Maybe I'm the luckiest bastard on the planet, but I've had exactly 1 horrible group in LFR. This was mostly due to 5 guildies lol-pulling shaman and the tanks refusing to follow the same strat. (One of the tanks being one of the guildies.) 8 stacks later, I was gone. The Irony here is that the organized uber-raiders (they were all 545+) were the reason it took almost 2 hours to get to Shaman. I've never had a fight go to more than three stacks outside of that. People have always followed the leader and gotten through relatively quickly. If you're constantly having problems with the community, perhaps the community isn't the problem.
You either die a Varian, or live long enough to see yourself become a Thrall...
Well, they incorporate ad dons that circumvent the way they intend queing to happen, they hire forum commentators to the Blue staff, who is to say that an icy-veins tab is not next?
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No. Advising they read up on the four bosses they will be encountering in the wing they sat in que an hour to get in to.
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it is not a team activity.
if it were a team activity I would either be prepared to explain to members of my team or bench them for not having read up before hand.
ALL the tools you need to know the fights are in the dungeon journal. ALL of them. You need no external source in order to know if it is bad don't stand in it or if it is good do stand in it. The journal delineates these things in simple English, or I assume the language that your client is written in.
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sure. a mechanic that basically nullifies the fact that they are screwing up by removing them from play.
have a reasonable idea to post?
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i generally have no issue capping on a tuesday. the 1000 point cap is not well thought out.
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agree. it was great before they threw the nerf bat at us.
why should I be able to swing the same sword, wearing the same gear and be told I cannot do relevant damage just because I am the on getting smacked on?
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B.S.
99% of the flex raiding I did until I completely out geared flex was in groups that I either put together myself or joined, but had ZERO interaction with my guild in doing so. if I waited on my guild I would still be in nothing but the pieces I pick up from normal kills.
There is no Bad RNG just Bad LTP
The thing is, even if a run is going good I promise you, open up skada and you will see people pulling 20k dps, hell some people may not even be on the meters.
It isn't really a problem as far as completing the instance, more the fact that people are not doing crap.
If they were geared raiders, and 545 isnt all that good right now, then the question is why the other tank wasnt following the strat? Don't blame the raiders for insisting on their way when the other tank was doing the same thing
The people who aren't doing crap will always be stuck in LFR. If that's their goal, then mission accomplished. If they want to move on to harder content, they will have to get off their ass and learn the strat. Either way, if the boss is dying in a timely manner it isn't really affecting you. And to answer your question, their start was to burn in place. Doesn't work on any level of shamans as far as I know. It became very clear by the time I left that they were just griefing the raid in the end.
You either die a Varian, or live long enough to see yourself become a Thrall...
This has been gone over many, many times and the ultimate conclusion is that what ails LFR is the community.
Well, if that's truly the case as I and much of the community believes it is, then it is only the community that can fix it and that necessitates tools to fix it.
I've advocated that Blizz can help by implementing many of the accountability tools that are in League of Legends. Plus, they are PUBLIC and the COMMUNITY votes. So, if you get bounced, it's by the community. If you post something horrible or behave badly, the community will step forward and make clear what behavior is appropriate, which is borderline and which is intolerable.
I love tanking and have three tanks (Pally, DK and Monk) geared at least to iLvl 500. I'd spend all of my time tanking except for the community. I've been playing since Vanilla and have never experienced this level of antipathy of players...outright rage for gearing tanks during the first month, vitriol for tanks that aren't flawless in LFR (note: I'm not excusing exceptionally poor play here), etc.
I finally just said, enough, and went with my hunter and sat 3 of my favorite toons.
With the proper tools, the community can self-police. Unfortunately, Blizzard expects the community to self-police with rules like those that exist on Wall Street and then with little and lax enforcement and almost no punishment, we've seen the entire community suffer and the only answer from Blizz is that they refuse to allow the community a voice in fixing a problem that only they CAN fix.
Blizz has certainly borrowed things from other devs. Now isn't the time for pride, it's the time for humility and community and reconciling ourselves to the notion that playing together means being responsible to and for one another (at least with respect to the game). WoW became strong because of the community first. For all of the horror stories, there are 10x more stories of folks being taught, nurtured and grown.
I switched to my hunter to TRY and focus on the positive, but I'd like to spend more time on my tanks.
That would require the community embracing a more positive attitude and I've not seen that, not even during Winter Veil, Xmas, Kwanzaa, or the early Hanukkah season...
Maybe a Festivus celebration? I dunno, but unless the community embraces others in the community, it's like trees in the forest playing with matches... not the best plan...
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