A question for those opposed to gay marriage.

[Ateista]

Slippery slope fallacy*

yea, yea, bit tipsy on the booze at this point.

you knew what i meant.

[Wells]

Do you even read? gays who live in the gay life style are mostly in showbiz. Not all gays.



Another one with reading problems?

What is the "gay life style?"

[logintime]

Do you even read? gays who live in the gay life style are mostly in showbiz. Not all gays.

Oh really. I'd love to see the polling on this one.

[Frogguh]

No it isn't - What gay guy do you know that suddenly went "I'm gonna go gay because it's fabulous"

Even if homosexuality is completely genetic, I am unaware of any gene that leads a male to wear women's clothing or speak with a faux lisp and call everyone "hon". These are certainly choices, and I find them quite repulsive. But they apparently find them to be fabulous. So...

[Deleted]

Er it's not about going gay. It's about living the stereotype. Most of them are in showbiz.

WTF?

So wanting to be a nurse, actor, hairdresser or any other ridiculous stereotype means they chose a gay lifestyle? You seriously need to actually meet LGBT people

[Elim Garak]

What is the "gay life style?"

Read above. It is all explained as it was started with it.

[Tastyfish]

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Pshh Mac.
10char

[Mormolyce]

Start with taxes.. Married people pay less taxes than singles.

Actually no, some wind up paying more. A lot of the tax benefit married couples get is because they have children, which you don't have to be married to have.

As am I - I just want government out of it for all. And as long as it is there - I don't care if gays want to be a part of it - let them.

If the government doesn't regulate marriage who does?

By the 10th Amendment, I suppose, but by the fact that I still stand by the idea that the nation was found under Christian beliefs, I still don't have any interest in recognizing homosexuality as an acceptable lifestyle. Of course, if they all want to move to California and do that, more power to them. I'd rather we cut California off from the rest of the country anyway.

Like I said, by the basis of the 10th Amendment, any law not established in the Constitution is a state matter, not a federal one. And, as much as people might argue otherwise, marriage is not a right. It shouldn't even be a matter involving the government, as it is more of a religiously-established convention. I don't like the term "legally married," because I don't think it should be an issue involving the courts or the government at all.

Laws forbidding certain classes of people from marrying have already been found to contradict the Fourteenth Amendment. So you are completely begging the question here.

Marriage is one of the "basic civil rights of man," fundamental to our very existence and survival.... To deny this fundamental freedom on so unsupportable a basis as the racial classifications embodied in these statutes, classifications so directly subversive of the principle of equality at the heart of the Fourteenth Amendment, is surely to deprive all the State's citizens of liberty without due process of law. The Fourteenth Amendment requires that the freedom of choice to marry not be restricted by invidious racial discrimination. Under our Constitution, the freedom to marry, or not marry, a person of another race resides with the individual and cannot be infringed by the State.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loving_...ginia#Decision

The legal question at hand is whether the state has a legitimate interest in forbidding gay marriage, and several courts have already found that it does not. It is only a matter of time.

Is this a general question, or specific to the US?

In case it's a general one, in my country (the Netherlands), benefits would include things like joint tax return, benefitting from your partner's retirement and being the first to inherite when there is no will. There are also some (tax) benefits around here for stay-at-home parents.

It varies from place to place. Here in Australia being married and being de facto are essentially identical.

From what I've read the situation in most places is that the laws attempt to make it so you don't wind up paying extra taxes as a result of being married and are kind of hit and miss in this respect. Sometimes you're better off, sometimes worse. I personally was actually slightly worse off when I got married.

You don't get some magical lump of money when you get married, it's complicated and varies from case to case. Also most of the benefits are actually from having children, not from being married.

[Elim Garak]

WTF?

So wanting to be a nurse, actor, hairdresser or any other ridiculous stereotype means they chose a gay lifestyle? You seriously need to actually meet LGBT people

ffs it has nothing to do with the professions.

[Serj Tankian]

First they would have to create a religion claiming that straight marriage is wrong.

[Deleted]

Even if homosexuality is completely genetic, I am unaware of any gene that leads a male to wear women's clothing or speak with a faux lisp and call everyone "hon". These are certainly choices, and I find them quite repulsive. But they apparently find them to be fabulous. So...

Evidence it's a choice?

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ffs it has nothing to do with the professions.

Well YOU mentioned professions

[Elim Garak]

If the government doesn't regulate marriage who does?

The couple? Where is this desire for regulation even coming?

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Well YOU mentioned professions

I did NOT. I mentioned the social sphere.

[Wells]

Read above. It is all explained as it was started with it.

No, tell me what the "gay life style is".

What behaviors characterize it?

[Mormolyce]

For some gays it is ALSO a life style.

Is your heterosexuality a lifestyle?

I guess it is right? Wearing shit clothes and being poorly groomed is a lifestyle :P

[Wells]

Is your heterosexuality a lifestyle?

I guess it is right? Wearing shit clothes and being poorly groomed is a lifestyle :P

Don't forget the fedora.

[Underverse]

Evidence it's a choice?

How you dress is a choice. The faux lisp is also largely a choice - some gay people have it and others don't, depending in part on the gay culture they've submerged themselves in.

[Elim Garak]

No, tell me what the "gay life style is".

What behaviors characterize it?

No. Go read.

[sourmonkey]

So recently a federal judge struck down a Utah law outlawing gay marriage in that state. Those on the right (of whom I typically align with) shout out saying that its not up to the feds to govern states affairs.

So my question is this,
If a bunch of gays moved to a state, for the example, California and lobbied to outlaw straight marriage and won would you support that state's decision?



I mean it is the states right correct? Just as it is their right to outlaw gay marriage.

what is marriage other than a piece of paper ? does having a piece of paper outweigh your piece of mind ? do you have to marry someone to love them more?

all those i just asked is answered with a "no" - this is my train of thought it doesnt matter marriage is just a piece of paper saying you two are married.

[Wells]

No. Go read.

You haven't sufficiently answered the question.

[Elim Garak]

Is your heterosexuality a lifestyle?

Not for me, but for some - yes.