Huolon "Griefing" - Your thoughts?

[Osmeric]

Not legally binding ... they can't sue you for breaking their ToS.

It has two main purposes:

(1) It enables them to defend against players suing them.

(2) It enables them to sue third parties who commit "tortious interference" (meaning: interfering with the contractual relationship between two other parties.) Yes Virginia, a contract can affect someone who didn't sign it. This is used to go after bot makers.

My favorite Huolon trick was to aggro him (by ranged attack) while be carried by an albatross, then kite him around the island. You don't take damage while you're being carried like that.

[Dphotog]

You mad bro heres using my class like it was intended to Kite since Vanilla

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TO JADE FIRE CAVE!!!

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The Next respawn I didnt let that happen (Jade Forest)

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People typically wait to pull Huolon to allow other players time to arrive for the kill instead of immediately pulling. I know it's weird for some of you to remember you actually play this game with other people.

While pulling him to strange locations might could be considered griefing, not waiting for a pull can be considered mean. At the very most.
If anyone wants to blow him up on his regular spawn point, they have every right to do so.

[rhorle]

Pulling a mob to a location where others are unable to access is greifing"

If no one can access that location then how was it pulled there?

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That's not even a remotely accurate comparision. The addon is used so that you can get there before a rare is killed, it's not there so that you can deny the kill for anyone else, everyone still has access to the addon and you can't deny them the kill if they follow their addon to the rare the same as you do (unless you're a different faction or use the cencer but that's an entirely different matter).

Clearly you havent played much on the timeless isle. It is rare that a rare wiol stay alive for more then a minute once an addon announces combat has begun. Also if the addon never announces it then you never know you missed it. If pullig a mob in a spot others cant easily get to is greifing then announcing youve found and killed a rare should be to. Because you are denying others that kill by not waiting for everyone to get to your spot before killing the rare

Sake principle as why hulon is greifing. Not everyone that wants to kill hulon can kill him. But I guess it is only an issue when a mount is invovled?

[get big or die mirin]

Soo, what's stopping you from flying out and gliding to his spawn point? (I know it's outdated but he could've thought about it still :P)

[ComputerNerd]

It's a bad fix. Now there will be little time to run to him, and the only way to get a kill will be to camp him.

The correct fix would be to have him unattackable until he gets close to the intended combat point. At least that way you have time from the first person announcing him for you to be able to get there.

And where is this " intended combat point" ?
It can be along practically any point of his patrol.
Given the short life span of most rares, isn't camping a necessity anyway ?

[zorkuus]

Clearly you havent played much on the timeless isle. It is rare that a rare wiol stay alive for more then a minute once an addon announces combat has begun. Also if the addon never announces it then you never know you missed it. If pullig a mob in a spot others cant easily get to is greifing then announcing youve found and killed a rare should be to. Because you are denying others that kill by not waiting for everyone to get to your spot before killing the rare

I've played enough to know I just want to kill the rare as fast as possible to get my loot and be done with it. I don't do it with the intention to deny the kill from others, clearly this was not the case with Huolon because you had to go out of your way to do it, it wasn't something you just stumbled upon by accident while killing other mobs. Whole groups were organized to do just this. Have you ever seen people forming groups to deny others a kill of Emerald Gander?

[Balgazarr]

Not a problem anymore as they have move its spawn point to the ground.

[Mormolyce]

Never seen this happen, it's a hell of a lot of effort to go to for no other reason than to annoy some people? And it can't just be one person this needs to be a team so they can actually kill Huo.

Can't help but think this was a few isolated events being blown out of proportion.

But it's fixed now anyway.

[Excessiv]

Never seen this happen, it's a hell of a lot of effort to go to for no other reason than to annoy some people? And it can't just be one person this needs to be a team so they can actually kill Huo.

Can't help but think this was a few isolated events being blown out of proportion.

But it's fixed now anyway.

Holy hell, I cannot believe they actually fixed it. Well, that will make the timeless isle a little more friendly on high-pop realms.
- OR, the more likely event, people will turn to other things. Such as dragging elites to vendors, Ordos griefing, and the list just goes on.

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You mad bro heres using my class like it was intended to Kite since Vanilla

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I thought I was the king of griefers because I would grief the griefers.... But this.. Is just.. wow.

[zorkuus]

Never seen this happen, it's a hell of a lot of effort to go to for no other reason than to annoy some people? And it can't just be one person this needs to be a team so they can actually kill Huo.

Can't help but think this was a few isolated events being blown out of proportion.

But it's fixed now anyway.

A while back it was almost a recurring event on my server during prime time.

[Sicarius119]

I don't see a problem. You have a spawn, you camp the spawn, you kill it. Nothing sucks more than being squishy and tanking a rare and more people come to the point that you can't tank him anymore and die from it. So, take him up there so you can be at peace.

Oh, and I has mount, so.... don't really bother with the call outs anymore.

No different that camping for the Ruby Droplet. You can blow that guy up in about 4 CDs and sure as hell can't get up there quick and some people still don't know about the birds.

Id agree with you except that it's a faction tag not a 1 person tag. But they broke it anyway so this is no longer an issue come 5.4.7

[Mormolyce]

Holy hell, I cannot believe they actually fixed it. Well, that will make the timeless isle a little more friendly on high-pop realms.

As friendly as the island that gave us Bloody Coins can be lol.

A while back it was almost a recurring event on my server during prime time.

You got some grade A cunts on your server then.

[Sierra85]

You got some grade A cunts on your server then.

Some men just want to see the world burn. True bastards.

[Caliph]

i reported these griefers on Area52 USA as well. it's easy to get up there but it wasn't intended to be done that way. If it was he wouldn't path down to you.

Like the Acherous guy you summon him and kite him wherever you want. perfectly legal as it's a summonable rare. Huolon though paths down to you as has been done from the very beginning. Using the crane statue, glider, slow fall from the sea, or one of the sea gulls is a work around true but continues to disrupt a large majority of the isle participants.

For instance, if i was at Cinder and made my way down to huolon anticipating the spawn any minute i would be unable to do it unless i put some time aside beforehand to get up there. That's disruptive to the entire concept of the isle. People wouldn't be able to do other things on the isle if they're alotting a bunch of time (no matter how short) to getting up there just to kill huolon.

Disruptive and it turns to griefing as it upsets many players playtime.

It was an obvious fix in the making.

GJ blizzard.

[Prag]

I used to get upset about those things, but nowadays with such easy access, it's enjoyable to just join them. I would complain, but we have a group of 10-15 Bloody Coin farming players who wait until the Huolon timer is at 58 minutes and then just go berserk, killing everyone. They're frighteningly organized and guess who they can't kill? The people on top!

[Musta Kyy]

Blizzard will act on anything that causes a lot of people to get upset. I've seen a friend get a warning from a GM from a lot smaller trolling/griefing thing.

[rhorle]

I've played enough to know I just want to kill the rare as fast as possible to get my loot and be done with it. I don't do it with the intention to deny the kill from others, clearly this was not the case with Huolon because you had to go out of your way to do it, it wasn't something you just stumbled upon by accident while killing other mobs. Whole groups were organized to do just this. Have you ever seen people forming groups to deny others a kill of Emerald Gander?

Whole groups forming to deny a kill? Doesn't that mean that they weren't denying the kill but forming groups to kill him at his spawn point? If a group is forming to do something it isn't griefing. You are not required to include every person in your group.

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For instance, if i was at Cinder and made my way down to huolon anticipating the spawn any minute i would be unable to do it unless i put some time aside beforehand to get up there. That's disruptive to the entire concept of the isle. People wouldn't be able to do other things on the isle if they're alotting a bunch of time (no matter how short) to getting up there just to kill huolon.

But that would also be true if you just flew in on the flight path, and heard someone announce his spawn. Chances are by the time you get to his location he would be dead. Thats disruptive to the entire concept of the isle, or is the concept just not what you think it is?

[Count Zero]

Blizzard will act on anything that causes a lot of people to get upset. I've seen a friend get a warning from a GM from a lot smaller trolling/griefing thing.

It's really inconsistent. I've seen people mention stuff like this here, seen fairly innocuous names get flagged for namechange ... yet also there is a person on my server who uses the most offensive language (words I don't repeat here, but you get the picture) in public channels repeatedly, day in day out, never gets banned. or if he does get banned it's not for more than a few hours.

[Caliph]

Whole groups forming to deny a kill? Doesn't that mean that they weren't denying the kill but forming groups to kill him at his spawn point? If a group is forming to do something it isn't griefing. You are not required to include every person in your group.

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But that would also be true if you just flew in on the flight path, and heard someone announce his spawn. Chances are by the time you get to his location he would be dead. Thats disruptive to the entire concept of the isle, or is the concept just not what you think it is?

the isle is free flowing and do what you want. hunt rares, kill things, and do whatever quests come up. It's obviously meant for just that. putting aside time just so you can fly up to huolon disrupts that. so yes the concept is what i think it is. perhaps it's not what you think it is.