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    Do schools still teach evolution?

    Back when I was in school I remember evolution being taught as if it were a factual science. With so many flaws to the theory of evolution (natural selection, missing links, fraudulent fossils, DNA etc) is it still commonly taught in schools?

    Quote Originally Posted by SpacedOut View Post
    It is still taught in schools as if it were factual science, because it is factual science, or at least as close to factual science as other things we teach are, like atomic/subatomic 'theory'.

    Your list of 'flaws' in the theory of evolution is odd. Natural Selection is not a flaw in the theory, it's the mechanism by which evolution occurs. Missing links just mean that we haven't found evidence for every form of life to have existed yet. We're getting there, if we'd found it all we wouldn't be digging any more, it's not evidence against. Fraudulent fossils are just proof of the desperation of some researchers to make a name for themselves via a big discovery in a field where that's the only real way to be judged as successful, they're not evidence against evolution either. DNA is how genetic information is stored, and random mutations therein are how natural selection occurs in the first place, again it's not even close to evidence against, it's actually a part of the theory just like natural selection.

    I dunno, your whole post feels like 'bait' to me, but have the benefit of the doubt - there's an honest answer. Evolution is still taught because there's really no good reason that it shouldn't be.
    Natural selection is the forming (or loss) of traits to better adapt to their environment. According to natural selection creatures would pass on adaptive traits over time but there are cases where the traits being passed dont quite add up such as the case with birds. Evolutionists claimed that flightless birds eventually grew wings over time and began to fly but why would passing on useless wings be an adaptive trait the bird needed, as the wings would not do anything for the next million generation of birds as they wouldnt be able to fly with them until much later, it would seem that having useless wings would actually put the birds at a disadvantage to non winged flightless birds meanign that natural selection would have gotten rid of the wings.

    Theres also the case of the Coelacanth fish which was thought to have eventually formed lungs and feet as it was over 350 million years old. Yet this exact fish was found in our century and it had no differences whatsoever from the fossils from millions of years ago, why is this? Should it not have formed new traits over that amount of time period?

    Missing links are more because Darwin himself admitted that these missing links would have to be found in order to PROVE his theory of evolution. It has been well over a century and none have been found, yet evolution is still taught as fact? Why when every single missing link has later been proven to be a fraud?

    DNA is brought up because it has been proven that DNA does not changed based on external circumstances. Regardless of environment the DNA remains the same.

    Theres also the fact that evolution theory seems to be based entirely on a chance premesis, meaning that over time if given enough chances change will occur to single cells. It states that organic life can come from inorganic material yet this also has never been seen or reproduced by anyone ever, what reason is there to believe it?

    Its just too much that feels unexplained or left open to chance to actually by into. Its why I dont understand why its taught and even regarded by many people as factual
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    Of course, since it actually happened it would be pretty stupid to ignore it.

    Though I think there are some Christian schools that are still telling kids that two people spontaneously appeared out of thin air or something.

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    Still taught far as I know. Depends on the school though.
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    Went to a secular school for most of my life, so it wasn't taught there; we discussed
    it in class, but it wasn't taught. (We were smart kids and knew what it was anyway.)
    Was kinda taught in high school, but it was more of a "You should already know this"
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    What? Oh, I get it. You don't believe in Evolution because there's no real science explaining the evolution of your kind. There's a --SNIP-- on your ancestry if you're interested.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rucati View Post
    Though I think there are some Christian schools that are still telling kids that two people spontaneously appeared out of thin air or something.
    I find always existing from and through infinity to be equally absurd with spontaneously appearing from thin air.

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    So I take it you're not a biologist

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    Quote Originally Posted by MissileMech View Post
    I find always existing from and through infinity to be equally absurd with spontaneously appearing from thin air.
    You created an account to just say that?

    And what you described is nothing about evolution at all...particularly the "always existing" part.

    Oh, and to correct the other post...it was a rock and a rib, not thin air. :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by mvallas View Post
    You created an account to just say that?

    And what you described is nothing about evolution at all...particularly the "always existing" part.

    Oh, and to correct the other post...it was a rock and a rib, not thin air. :P
    Technically Adam was dust and breath.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mvallas View Post
    You created an account to just say that?

    And what you described is nothing about evolution at all...particularly the "always existing" part.

    Oh, and to correct the other post...it was a rock and a rib, not thin air. :P
    I don't get why, just because it's someones first post, you automatically think they registered with the sole intent of making that post. Pretty sure this ain't the first time you've assumed this either.

    PS. The acc was made last month so there's no way he/she registered only for that post
    Quote Originally Posted by rogoth View Post
    I'm glad you brought up IQ, the last standardised IQ test I took I scored a 127, the threshold for 'Genius' is 140, and the threshold for 'Gifted Genius' is 165+, based on the fact the global average IQ is 84, and the fact you're likely Americanwhere the national IQ is BELOW the global average and falling consistently which has led to calls for global intervention in your abysmal education system, I feel you have VERY LITTLE room to talk about IQ levels, but thanks for trying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mvallas View Post
    You created an account to just say that?

    And what you described is nothing about evolution at all...particularly the "always existing" part.

    Oh, and to correct the other post...it was a rock and a rib, not thin air. :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jibjabb View Post
    Back when I was in school I remember evolution being taught as if it were a factual science. With so many flaws to the theory of evolution (natural selection, missing links, fraudulent fossils, DNA etc) is it still commonly taught in schools?
    It is still taught in schools as if it were factual science, because it is factual science, or at least as close to factual science as other things we teach are, like atomic/subatomic 'theory'.

    Your list of 'flaws' in the theory of evolution is odd. Natural Selection is not a flaw in the theory, it's the mechanism by which evolution occurs. Missing links just mean that we haven't found evidence for every form of life to have existed yet. We're getting there, if we'd found it all we wouldn't be digging any more, it's not evidence against. Fraudulent fossils are just proof of the desperation of some researchers to make a name for themselves via a big discovery in a field where that's the only real way to be judged as successful, they're not evidence against evolution either. DNA is how genetic information is stored, and random mutations therein are how natural selection occurs in the first place, again it's not even close to evidence against, it's actually a part of the theory just like natural selection.

    I dunno, your whole post feels like 'bait' to me, but have the benefit of the doubt - there's an honest answer. Evolution is still taught because there's really no good reason that it shouldn't be.
    Who is Chris Metzen? He is supposed to be Turkish. Some say his father was German. Nobody believed he was real. Nobody ever saw him or knew anybody that ever worked directly for him, but to hear Zarhym tell it, anybody could have worked for Metzen. You never knew. That was his power. The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist. And like that... poof! He's gone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dendrek View Post
    What? Oh, I get it. You don't believe in Evolution because there's no real science explaining the evolution of your kind. There's a on your ancestry if you're interested.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeluron Lightsong View Post
    Technically we all started somewhere. ...I started in the womb I tell ya!
    I started as a garden gnome. <.<
    Thankfully, I soon shed that skin and became a Keebler elf.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jibjabb View Post
    Back when I was in school I remember evolution being taught as if it were a factual science. With so many flaws to the theory of evolution (natural selection, missing links, fraudulent fossils, DNA etc) is it still commonly taught in schools?
    ... You've got to be fucking kidding me.

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    I graduated in 2004 and i know in 9th grade biology we completed the nuances of Genetics.

    And genetics proves evolution.

    So from my perspective not technically. Just like we dont teach (7th day)creationism nor disprove it.

    We just point out the literal billions (being modest here) bits of information that prove that the earth is billions of years old.

    Evolution and and the disproving of 7th Day Creationism isnt taught or taught against in school.
    Its an understanding created when you learn facts of the universe.

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    http://www.upworthy.com/if-someone-i...s-5?c=hpstream

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jibjabb View Post
    Back when I was in school I remember evolution being taught as if it were a factual science. With so many flaws to the theory of evolution (natural selection, missing links, fraudulent fossils, DNA etc) is it still commonly taught in schools?
    Evolution is "factual" science (what areas of science are not "factual" exactly?) You may be surprised to hear that they also teach Newton's laws of physics, as well as Einstein's, even though we know that neither describes the complete truth. We also teach about theories which predict phenomena not yet directly observed in nature.

    Science is about coming up with theories, making predictions, and then testing those predictions. Just because we don't have the complete picture doesn't mean that we don't teach the theories. We search until we find evidence which either A) verifies the theory, or B) contradicts it. And then we just keep searching because, you know, that's what science is all about.

    We have found no evidence which contradicts the theory of evolution, so why wouldn't we teach it? You list four "problems" with evolution, let's go over them:

    Natural Selection: What's the problem here? Don't get it. This is the mechanism for genetic transference and it makes complete sense.

    Missing Links: See my earlier comment. The fact that we do not have a complete genetic roadmap does not contradict the theory of evolution in the slightest. It's hard, it takes time.

    Fraudulent Fossils: Scientific fraud does not invalidate a theory. Next.

    DNA: What does this even mean? What's your issue here?

    Etc: Please be more vague.

    And this is why we teach science in school. We hope that some day most people will actually understand what the hell it is and why it's important instead of living their lives in complete ignorance.

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    I doubt OP is interested in discussion. However to answer them, yes it is. As it should be .

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    It was taught in the school I went to. The history of Evolution theories, the whole package.

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