When devs said they have done every single 25HC when it was progression I was thinkin

[Deleted]

It must be so easy to do it when it is your job. The office will be full of professionals that must test the game in the most excruciating way possible and of course they are going to be serious about it and do it properly.

Not to take anything from them but it's way different from the reality of the actual players. If you are not in the top 50 guilds in the world, at least some members will not be online, at least some will have the girlfriend yelling at them etc.

For anything below those very first ranks of the ladders, it's definitely not just professionals in an office knowing the game inside out.

[eixx]

The other 24 people in the raid still have to get to know the boss aswell remember that.
And just because the made the boss, dosen't mean they can play flawless on every try.

[Soryks]

It must be so easy to do it when it is your job. The office will be full of professionals that must test the game in the most excruciating way possible and of course they are going to be serious about it and do it properly.

Not to take anything from them but it's way different from the reality of the actual players. If you are not in the top 50 guilds in the world, at least some members will not be online, at least some will have the girlfriend yelling at them etc.

For anything below those very first ranks of the ladders, it's definitely not just professionals in an office knowing the game inside out.

They make the game, why not play it personally aswell? Not all dev's play hardcore, I can assure you that. Some dont even play it at home.

[precious]

They are playing in guilds. Some of them are playing in Top guilds (insert ranking here ). I dont think they ever hide it. They just dont go in public. My guess is the guildmates dont have a clue

[Oxyra]

I remember a while back, can't remember which, but I believe Celestalon plays in a top 25 US Alliance guild that's 14/14, iunno, some people found out recently or something, might not have even been him, but it was one of the devs.

Protip: They raid with the community.

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I remember a while back, can't remember which, but I believe Celestalon plays in a top 25 US Alliance guild that's 14/14, iunno, some people found out recently or something, might not have even been him, but it was one of the devs.

Protip: They raid with the community.

Wow that's really cool!

[Rocksteadee]

It must be so easy to do it when it is your job. The office will be full of professionals that must test the game in the most excruciating way possible and of course they are going to be serious about it and do it properly.

Not to take anything from them but it's way different from the reality of the actual players. If you are not in the top 50 guilds in the world, at least some members will not be online, at least some will have the girlfriend yelling at them etc.

For anything below those very first ranks of the ladders, it's definitely not just professionals in an office knowing the game inside out.

Yeah it's not 'their job' to raid. Their job is to DESIGN the game, and they raid in their free time just like everyone else.

[Toiran]

From what I remember reading over the years, some devs play at work as much as they can "testing", as well as actual testing, and then play it at home, then some devs only play at home, and some barely play at all.

A couple of the leads are in top 100 guilds, some are casual.

Also to be fair, it's only the top 5, maybe 10, that actually go in without tactics, they get it done, and tactics are released, thus now everyone knows what to do, so having someone who designed the instance doesn't actually benefit, that plus the fact they don't make themselves known, it would be pretty damn hard for them to be a raidleader without someone figuring it out.

It's good that they play in normal guilds though, for sure.

[Leih]

Watcher (Ion) commented on this topic as well in one of the interview videos they posted on the site a while back, talking about how he raids in a 25-man heroic guild in his free time. He spoke about how some friends know who he is, but most don't, and being the lead encounter designer he finds it interesting to see how the raid leaders in his group cope with the mechanics he helped design, while he keeps quiet about it and follows.

(Then sometimes when they get stuck for ages he's the guy who mysteriously comes out with very knowledgeable answers... somehow!)

[Deja Thoris]

I bet they wait for the fatboss guides!

[Veyne]

It must be so easy to do it when it is your job. The office will be full of professionals that must test the game in the most excruciating way possible and of course they are going to be serious about it and do it properly.

Not to take anything from them but it's way different from the reality of the actual players. If you are not in the top 50 guilds in the world, at least some members will not be online, at least some will have the girlfriend yelling at them etc.

For anything below those very first ranks of the ladders, it's definitely not just professionals in an office knowing the game inside out.

What?

It's their job to develop the game not to be good at it and play it competitively. In fact, playing the game isn't their job at all.

And they don't even raid together. They play the game on their own time they way they want to in normal guilds full of people they've never met in person, just like everyone else.

[RuneeBH]

"Hes gonna throw a Desecrated Weapon now! everyone move!" is how I see it in my head...like him knowing exactly whats gonna happen before it happens, but in reality I'm sure its not like that. lol, I just like to pretend that they probably have all the boss abilities and timers like, written on a napkin next to their computer and read it off to their raid as its happening.

[Orcindauh]

"I merely develop weapons, I cannot fire them" -Some guy from Captain America.

I don't expect devs to actually raid their product.

[Promdates]

The devs are not part of the official wow "raid testing" team. Unless things were changed since WotLK/Cata where they said that their internal test team never tested some of the heroic encounters because they couldn't kill some of the bosses.

Is it a surprise that they raid in high ranked guilds, not likely. Remember that a lot of the early devs came from high ranked Everquest guilds (Fires of Heaven and Legacy of Steel, to name two guilds with primary developers to come from). While some of them would probably be more casual, others do heroic raid content, and often times keep their identity a secret.

[Adsertif]

What is the point of this?

Are you just making an excuse to why they can clear it but you can't?

Developers aren't just a team of nerds paid to raid, I don't know where you got that idea from. They develop the game, and play it in their free time -- if they want to clear HC in their free time, so be it.

[Feali]

"Hes gonna throw a Desecrated Weapon now! everyone move!" is how I see it in my head...like him knowing exactly whats gonna happen before it happens, but in reality I'm sure its not like that. lol, I just like to pretend that they probably have all the boss abilities and timers like, written on a napkin next to their computer and read it off to their raid as its happening.

Yea I have that napkin, too. It's called Deadly Boss Mods...

[Gliff]

Ion Hazzikostas (Lead encounter designer) is the RL of a top 50 US25man guild.
It doesn't surprise me at all.

During ToT when guilds were using the Primordius burn strat, they didnt because he knew it was getting hotfixed the next reset.

[Rocksteadee]

Ion Hazzikostas (Lead encounter designer) is the RL of a top 50 US25man guild.
It doesn't surprise me at all.

During ToT when guilds were using the Primordius burn strat, they didnt because he knew it was getting hotfixed the next reset.

Yeaaaaaaaaaahhhhhh source?

[KatsukoHigirashi]

Just for the OP, Blizzard doesnt test/raid internally on a 25 man lvl, they only test/raid internally on a 10 man lvl and then they alter the numbers by 2.5 and then retune them on ptr. This is part of the reason a lot of the 25 man end bosses are hell until blizzard can hotfix them according to the issues that paragon/method/blood legion runs into.

Yeaaaaaaaaaahhhhhh source?

www youtube com/watch?v=eczxxR7hnkQ

[Detheavn]

I guess it's fair to say that not all devs are responsible for raid (and their mechanics) design, so for some the content is just as new as for us