thoughts on vegans

[Zoaric]

I think that Vegans are self righteous hipsters.

A lot are, just like with any group, (though they seem to announce themselves more...)
But a lot are good people, like my grandparents who are on the boarder of veganism
for health reasons. (Not that I understand the 'health reasons', but whatevs.)

I don't eat humans because cannibalism scares the shit out of me.

Doesn't this also screw with brain chemistry or something?

[Lora]

I think we are being trolled. I got to give the OP my respect. So far he has riled allot of us up with his hippie mombo jumpo. I respect your Trollishness good sir.

Calling out people as a troll is against the rules on this site. Feel free to contribute to this thread but do not try to derail it.

[N-7]

You shouldn't have bothered posting then. I'm not pushing the vegan agenda on you. I'm asking why you, among countless other people insist on cruelty and shrug it off like it doesn't exist.

Because it isn't cruel, a bear is not cruel when it eats other animals. It is what it does, it is its nature. Even though it can eat some plants and by products of animals, it doesn't stop eating meat, it eat both. Similarly, it is our nature to eat meat and vegetables and there is nothing wrong with that. Please get your head out of your arse and stop with your vigilante vegan crap that is supported with half-truths and lies.

[Lora]

You want to live in some dreamlike utopia where "cruelty" doesn't happen. That's what it is, nothing more but a dream.

So then you condone cruelty and slaughter? That's healthy.

[Deleted]

You shouldn't have bothered posting then. I'm not pushing the vegan agenda on you. I'm asking why you, among countless other people insist on cruelty and shrug it off like it doesn't exist.

Because this cruelty is a direct consequence of our life style. You're obsessing over animals here when I could just ask you how come you're living in a nice appartment with heating while there are children starving and dieing of disease daily? How can you be so cruel that you wear clothes that are made in sweatshops? Was your computer assembled by a man in a tie from the universe of doesnotexist or did an asian guy do it that gets paid a bowl of rice per week?

You wanna stop this cruelty? Go live in Siberia where only a Discovery Channel documentary team will find you and live there off whatever you find and grow. Only then can you talk about cruelty. Don't go around telling people what to do when your lifestyle results in death of other people every day.

[belfpala]

You can state we're opportunistic carnivores, but that tangent relating to B12 needs more studies for me to take seriously.

Look it up yourself. We can't produce b12 ourselves. We need meat, dairy, eggs, or fortified products.

That means we historically we must have been non-vegan. And, pre-modern civilization, with modern farming for the dairy and eggs, we were obligate carnivores. That does not mean we were also not omnivores. We're omnivores.

[Shuji V2]

So then you condone cruelty and slaughter? That's healthy.

This is random, so you know. Painting off meat-eaters as cruel slaughterers is just too random.

[Mondroc]

If humans didn't eat meat, the animals we are eating wouldn't be free - they wouldn't exist at all (I mean that specific chicken you just ate, not the species as a whole). That is the first argument that annoys me about some vegans. Pro-life for animals and yet they wouldn't be alive either way. At least this way they got some kind of life.

Cruelty exists in all facets of life from the computer you're using, clothes you are wearing and yes, the meat that you're eating. No matter what someone, somewhere is getting screwed in the ass with a pool cue. Does it suck? Absolutely. Do I wish it didn't happen? Absolutely. Is it ever going to realistically change? Nope. One major factor humans have that no other animal does (that I know of, i'm not quoting that as absolute fact) is remorse. Lions don't feel sad they just ate a baby because it was too slow to get away or that some babies somewhere are going to starve to death because they just ate the mother. You think humans are cruel? You should see what some animals do to each other.

[Deleted]

Please explain how our intestines are exactly like every other herbivore on the planet.

It's not. It's actually built to digest both meant, and plants. That's why in our stomach, the environment can be alkaline or acidic, depending on what we eat and the digestive fluids released.
We also have a medium-ranged intestine ( between 6 and 8 meters ) which explains why we are omnivorous, unlike other plant eating animals which have much longer intestines.
And let's not start about the effects lack of meat in one's diet causes on the hormonal release, development and so on.
A vegan diet, not only consists on mostly carbohydrates which, at higher levels, are unhealthy as hell ( I'm talking mostly about simple carbs, like processed wheat, or vegetables cooked at high temperatures, resulting in the destruction of most of the vitamins and minerals, as well as the fibers ) This, and the fact that vegetables don't have full amino-acid chained proteins.

On top of that, to answer one of the biggest fallacies that bald guy said in the video : we don't need to hunt our play with our mouths. We are humans, we evolved to use and build tools. That is our mechanism.

[Donald Hellscream]

Vegans are alright, as long as they don't try to personally convince me that my intestines and incisor teeth were never meant to digest meat.. Also if we were naturally herbivores we wouldn't have any issues digesting cellulose but since we aren't it will go through our intestines undigested which is why if you eat a ton of corn you are gonna find remnants of that when you take a dump because our intestines can't digest the cellulose.

[Ineko]

So then you condone cruelty and slaughter? That's healthy.

Cruelty no, slaughter yes. As long as the animal had a nice, comfortable life and was given a quick painless death.

[Sky High]

This is random, so you know. Painting off meat-eaters as cruel slaughterers is just too random.

and REALLY counter productive. why not mention the fact that a large part of our green house gas emission is caused by grazing cattle? a cow can create as much carbon pollution as a car FFS. but nope, your'e a murderer so stop it! /head desk

[vindicatorx]

Eating meat is condoning hatred. Humans are naturally herbivores.

That is not true at all as can be proven by our teeth layout. We have canines and incisors and neither of those groups of teeth are used in eating vegetation. We are omnivores and predatory omnivores at that. Note how our eyes face forward. I feel most vegans are a little bit unstable mentally and they like to say goofy things like we are herbivores when our physiology proves we are not. Also, the bad logic they tend to use cracks me up. It's great you want to not eat meat it leaves more for me.

[Deleted]

So then you condone cruelty and slaughter? That's healthy.

Killing animals isn't cruelty. It's nature. Cruelty would be to torture them before killing them.

[Deleted]

Look it up yourself. We can't produce b12 ourselves. We need meat, dairy, eggs, or fortified products.

That means we historically we must have been non-vegan. And, pre-modern civilization, with modern farming for the dairy and eggs, we were obligate carnivores. That does not mean we were also not omnivores. We're omnivores.

Interesting, i won't post more in fear of being ignorant, but i was always taught we were naturally omnivores and never recorded as obligate carnivores.

I can't find any studies either, so it's time to search harder

[Lora]

Killing animals isn't cruelty. It's nature. Cruelty would be to torture them before killing them.

Killing humans isn't cruelty. It's nature.

[Deleted]

Killing humans isn't cruelty. It's nature.

Killing isn't always wrong.

[Sky High]

Killing humans isn't cruelty. It's nature.

the lapse in logic has been taken to a new level.

[belfpala]

We are omnivores and predatory omnivores at that. Note how our eyes face forward. I feel most vegans are a little bit unstable mentally and they like to say goofy things like we are herbivores when our physiology proves we are not.

Ignoring your taunts towards vegans...

Humans are the most successful predators on Earth. Period. We're so good at being predators that we convinced most land mammals to hang out and eat before we kill them. Here: http://xkcd.com/1338/

This applies historically, where said animals were wandering freely. Until we killed them. It's just a thing we do.

[Lora]

???????? the lapse in logic has been taken to a new level.

There is no lapse in logic. If killing animals isn't cruelty then neither is killing humans, as we are also animals.