Why does H2P rate heroic warmace so highly?

[Drsolders]

I know its pretty great as are most heroic heirlooms but wouldn't a warforged piece give better stats? I mean the 1h from spoils would give crit/mast which is perfect because by that ilvl you need the secondary stats more and should have no issue getting to the haste break point.

Anyways was just curious as to why it has the 1h mace and off hand from heroic garrosh as our BiS

[Adinora]

I know its pretty great as are most heroic heirlooms but wouldn't a warforged piece give better stats? I mean the 1h from spoils would give crit/mast which is perfect because by that ilvl you need the secondary stats more and should have no issue getting to the haste break point.

Anyways was just curious as to why it has the 1h mace and off hand from heroic garrosh as our BiS

BiS for which spec?

I was under the impression that the staff was our BiS for disc, but I could be wrong.

[Nestar]

If you're looking at shadow BiS list, its due to hit.

Hit is our highest secondary, but it caps quickly. When building your full list you need to take this into account and only choose a few pieces with hit on them.

[Drsolders]

If you're looking at shadow BiS list, its due to hit.

Hit is our highest secondary, but it caps quickly. When building your full list you need to take this into account and only choose a few pieces with hit on them.

Oh so it has less to do with that but more due to the other choices in their BiS? That makes sense I forgot to take that into account

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BiS for which spec?

I was under the impression that the staff was our BiS for disc, but I could be wrong.

IIRC 1h and Oh will always be better because you can enchant an OH (more int) as well and w/ jade spirit on your MH so you get more int/secondary stats that way.

[Drye]

Reading charts is really hard apparently. It's ranked off of a non upgraded system so the heirloom mace is 582 and doesn't up grade compared to WF weapons starting at 572. If you look at each numerical value under the stats it's going to be different and that's what you want to go off of. It's too tricky to value everything based off racials and upgrades, that's why we have it the way we do. The wand is BIS if you are curious as to what weapon you want to go for.

[Zych]

The wand is a myth

[Deleted]

IIRC 1h and Oh will always be better because you can enchant an OH (more int) as well and w/ jade spirit on your MH so you get more int/secondary stats that way.

Except that the mace has spirit wich disc doesnt need and no crit, then you got offhand with crit and haste (where haste is useless again) but will never has as much crit/mastery (wich is bis for disc) amount as on garrosh staff or gaze.

http://www.wowhead.com/compare?items...:105688;105690

Those 2 weapons above considering gems (2x int + crit gems on both weapons, making them even) staff has 39 more int, then considering the offhand ench (165 int), the 1h/off has 126 int more, but bad stats, wich is not worth it ^^

[Cerbz]

Except that the mace has spirit wich disc doesnt need and no crit, then you got offhand with crit and haste (where haste is useless again) but will never has as much crit/mastery (wich is bis for disc) amount as on garrosh staff or gaze.

http://www.wowhead.com/compare?items...:105688;105690

Also from older calculations i normally see a lack in intel anyway when comparing 1h/off to a staff wich only makes the int amounts roughly the same after enchanting that extra int on the offhand.

They're talking about Shadow.

[mindp]

The wand is a myth

Like them trinkets.

[Deleted]

They're talking about Shadow.

I know .
I´m replying to the part where Fefina said wich spec and said the staff was bis for disc, where Drsolders replied 1h/off is always better.

Anyway just wanted to clear that part up, back to On Topic

[Drsolders]

I know .
I´m replying to the part where Fefina said wich spec and said the staff was bis for disc, where Drsolders replied 1h/off is always better.

Anyway just wanted to clear that part up, back to On Topic

I stated IIRC ( If I recall correctly), I guess I was wrong but was always told that

[Deleted]

I stated IIRC ( If I recall correctly), I guess I was wrong but was always told that

I was under the impression that 1h+offhand is better because the juggernaut one provides an extra yellow socket for disc compared to Gaze (talking about everything warforged). Could be wrong though

[Deleted]

I was under the impression that 1h+offhand is better because the juggernaut one provides an extra yellow socket for disc compared to Gaze (talking about everything warforged). Could be wrong though

By taking wand+OH over 2h gaze (hc wf), you win 104 Int / 338 Crit / 536 Haste and you loose 62 Stam 815 Mastery. It's pretty much the same in the end, I would say it's a little better to go 1h if you want to play aggressive and dps a lot (10man), and to go with 2h if you want to roll bigger aegis/shells (25man).

[Deleted]

The wand is a myth

The HWF vrsion dropped for me last night after I basically gave up on it. Keep believing!

[Zych]

The HWF vrsion dropped for me last night after I basically gave up on it. Keep believing!

I keep hope alive ... somehow. Empe's trinket comment got me thinkin though so I made the mistake of checking WoWHeroes.

27 Immerseus
23 Shamans
15 Spoils

I have clearly angered the loot gods somehow. Running out of sacrificial gnomes & kittens, not sure how else to appease them. Halp.

[Swoon]

They're ranked so high because the rankings are based off of base ilvl, they drop upgraded already so the value is much higher than the others at 0/4.

[Deleted]

You must sacrifice a new born boy to be safe.

[Zoulis]

You must sacrifice a new born boy to be safe.

This is what I'm doing tomorrow at midnight. Maybe I can get my BBoY then.

OT: Even if you check the thread on h2p where every item is listed on. The mace is rated above other normal heroic main hands but below HF ones.

[Swoon]

This is what I'm doing tomorrow at midnight. Maybe I can get my BBoY then.

OT: Even if you check the thread on h2p where every item is listed on. The mace is rated above other normal heroic main hands but below HF ones.

They're ranked so high because the rankings are based off of base ilvl, they drop upgraded already so the value is much higher than the others at 0/4.

pls read dis

[Zoulis]

pls read dis

Not sure if that's towards me or the original poster :P But heroic warmace is better than kardris' for sure and depending on the stats on the rest of your gear it can be better than horned mace and the paragons' dagger.
The wand from spoils should be better ( again depending on how much hit you have , but it's generally better )