2H ENH shammy?

[Yoshimiko]

So, I'm just looking at some of the changes for ENH shammy, and something I've missed since classic - 2H Enh shammy - looks like it may be increasing in power. My question is, is it strong enough to warrant usability in for-fun PVP scenarios?(Since I doubt it'll be comparable to DW in PVE) Or will all of the losses of Dual wielding make it so far below that it's not even worth playing around with for fun.

(READ: I realize that 2H will likely never be as strong nor stronger than dual wield in ANY Setting. I am fully aware of that, and more looking for a potential fun off-thing to do for big windfury crits and pretty much nothing else.)

[Deleted]

The loss of Lava Lash alone is enough to flush 2h enhancement down the toilet until major changes are made to it. The fun of 2h as a concept is kinda drowned out by the sheer neutering of gameplay.

[Lavindar]

Doubt it will be anywhere near of being viable, but if you want to do it for fun I don't see a problem, the only thing that you will not be able to cast is Lava Lash, and maybe will not proc Flametongue.

[Deleted]

Sadly due to Lava Lash it wont happen. I miss my 2h WF pvp Shaman That was so fun!

[stomination]

Reminds me of those taco bells commercials with the Old guys.


Some ppl cant move with the times.

[Krazzorx]

The best hope for 2H enh shaman is a glyph that lets you mog your weapons into 2h weapons. Doesn't change any gameplay, just visuals. (Even though it'd visually only be 1 weapon doing Storm Strike, it'd still count as if you were DWing.)

[Blithe]

I hope we don't go back to 2H. In a time before this, I would've loved it but with the changes coming to us in Warlords, I'm excited to dual-wield. I'll feel fast and fluid because of Flurry.

If you want to play 2H Enhancement, the closes thing feels like 2H Frost, or Retribution so far I've noticed.

[Deleted]

Reminds me of those taco bells commercials with the Old guys.


Some ppl cant move with the times.

It's not like I refuse to play Shaman because of it. Just saying it would be fun to be able to play with 2H again

[Renedric]

I hope we don't go back to 2H. In a time before this, I would've loved it but with the changes coming to us in Warlords, I'm excited to dual-wield. I'll feel fast and fluid because of Flurry.

If you want to play 2H Enhancement, the closes thing feels like 2H Frost, or Retribution so far I've noticed.

Nah it's not. I've played 2h enhance back in the day with an arcanite reaper (HOOOO!); it was quite alot of fun and felt much different than current frost and ret. It was auto proccy and that's what made it fun.

I really do wish though they changed one of the 100 tier talents to allow lava lash to be usable with 2handers. That would bring some variety and fun imo.

[Murderdoll]

What I want to know is, why is a person with 2000 posts, creating this thread.

Just no.

Its gone, dead and buried. Never to return.

[ro9ue]

Should come back as an optional playstyle. I like the Frost DK setup a lot, could have Enhancement work similarly where 1 favors a different secondary over the other. Even if you don't like it, not sure why you would be vehemently against other players having the option. It can fit nicely into the game if Blizzard wills it.

[Shockeye]

My Shaman leveled as 2H Enhancement in TBC and I really liked it. I'm sad that it was killed in favour of dual weapons.

[Murderdoll]

Should come back as an optional playstyle. I like the Frost DK setup a lot, could have Enhancement work similarly where 1 favors a different secondary over the other. Even if you don't like it, not sure why you would be vehemently against other players having the option. It can fit nicely into the game if Blizzard wills it.

Because when DW and 2H Frost was implemented, it was following the break up of Blood Unholy and Frost into seperate trees with specific jobs rather than the "everyone can do everything" policy. The entire class was redesigned from the ground up and it was rubbish for a long time. It went through countless patches of adjustment.

The reason why Frost and 2H/DW work is because they went into the spec design with that intent.

Over the years, Enhance has been stricly developed as a dual wield spec, hell Blizzard themselves has even said, its NOT coming back. Because we have so many abilities that are deeply built into Dual Wield, unraveling that is a HUGE job. A job that is not worth their time.

Enhance is currently in its BEST position ever and looking at WoD changes, I am very excited and confident we will remain very competitive in our niches. What you people are asking, is for Enhance to be completely changed and balanced around two weapon styles. Its taken 3 expansions for them to get their shit together on things like Spell Power Weapons, Dipping into Elementals toolset, AoE. How long do you think it would take them to do this?

I am against it because, as cool as it would be (yes, I loved 2H Enhance it was fun but it was RNG LOLOLOLPWN) you would be taking this spec back to the stone age.

Throw your rose tinted glasses in the bin and move on.

[Lavindar]

Because when DW and 2H Frost was implemented, it was following the break up of Blood Unholy and Frost into seperate trees with specific jobs rather than the "everyone can do everything" policy. The entire class was redesigned from the ground up and it was rubbish for a long time. It went through countless patches of adjustment.

The reason why Frost and 2H/DW work is because they went into the spec design with that intent.

Over the years, Enhance has been stricly developed as a dual wield spec, hell Blizzard themselves has even said, its NOT coming back. Because we have so many abilities that are deeply built into Dual Wield, unraveling that is a HUGE job. A job that is not worth their time.

Enhance is currently in its BEST position ever and looking at WoD changes, I am very excited and confident we will remain very competitive in our niches. What you people are asking, is for Enhance to be completely changed and balanced around two weapon styles. Its taken 3 expansions for them to get their shit together on things like Spell Power Weapons, Dipping into Elementals toolset, AoE. How long do you think it would take them to do this?

I am against it because, as cool as it would be (yes, I loved 2H Enhance it was fun but it was RNG LOLOLOLPWN) you would be taking this spec back to the stone age.

Throw your rose tinted glasses in the bin and move on.

Meh, I prefer to hope the good things than to fear the bad things. Would love to have the option of using 2H, so many cool looking models, but I would not became sad if this never happens.

[Omanley]

Meh, I prefer to hope the good things than to fear the bad things. Would love to have the option of using 2H, so many cool looking models, but I would not became sad if this never happens.

Yes, I agree. Weilding a 2h shouldn't change playstyle. It should be like changing between 1h and 2h frost, or fury. Apart from dealing a little bit more and less damage percentage-wise on some abilities, there should be no big difference. 2h should present an additional gear and transmog choice, nothing else. It wouldn't be hard to adapt our current design for 2h. Would probably take an hour to change tooltips and to allow LL with a 2h, msw proc chances on 2h to be higher, as well as imbues proccing both of the 2h weapon and stuff like that. Easy. I'm all for 2h coming back this way, but not as a nostalgic, imbalanced RNG crutch).

[stomination]

It's not like I refuse to play Shaman because of it. Just saying it would be fun to be able to play with 2H again

Never said you dont play a shaman. Also never quoted you or put my post in context that I was talking to or mentioning you.

[Futhark]

I've advocated 2Hd for ages but to me the problem is worse than LL: what 2hd agility weapons are you going to use?

[Murderdoll]

Meh, I prefer to hope the good things than to fear the bad things.

And thats fine, but look at it from a developers point of view.

Enhance is a very small minority of the player base. Theyve spent this entire expansion fine tuning our damage and the better part of what 5+ years, developing our skillset specifically for Dual Wield.

Why on earth would they put aside so many developer hours entering an expansion and COUNTLESS hours tuning once live for a spec that has more or less its loyal players and thats about it.

I like your positive outlook on hoping for the best, but if history is anything to go buy. Changes in general (let alone Shaman changes ughh) do not work out for the best right off the bat. It takes a lot of fine tuning. Personally, as a Shaman of I dont know how many years now. Im tired of "waiting for the next patch". Im in a good spot now, DONT FUCK WITH IT.

[Blithe]

And thats fine, but look at it from a developers point of view.

Enhance is a very small minority of the player base. Theyve spent this entire expansion fine tuning our damage and the better part of what 5+ years, developing our skillset specifically for Dual Wield.

Why on earth would they put aside so many developer hours entering an expansion and COUNTLESS hours tuning once live for a spec that has more or less its loyal players and thats about it.

I like your positive outlook on hoping for the best, but if history is anything to go buy. Changes in general (let alone Shaman changes ughh) do not work out for the best right off the bat. It takes a lot of fine tuning. Personally, as a Shaman of I dont know how many years now. Im tired of "waiting for the next patch". Im in a good spot now, DONT FUCK WITH IT.

Countless development hours and Enhancement don't fit in the same sentence.

[Sylar Hao]

As simple a passive for 2h:

Volcanic Winds (random made up name): "while wielding a two-handed, you proc both Windfury and Flametongue and you can use Lava Lash".

This would lead to stronger ability and procs with fewer autoattacks. DW would still be stronger probably, but... damn I miss my 2H shaman too

I'm all for 2H shaman as viable option. If I'm not mistaken, weapons in WoD don't have strength/agility/intellect but Attack/spell power, so this open up a little the option.

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Countless development hours and Enhancement don't fit in the same sentence.

I lol'd hard to this XD. I feel you. True words.