What do you Miss and Not Miss about old wow?

[Varabently]

Miss:

Talent trees. I enjoyed being able to play weird specs (hemo/swords anyone? SL/SL lock?) that sort of worked. I also think that no matter what people say about them being cookie cutter, there WERE terrible specs and it let you at least know if that person had a brain or not.

Difficult 5-man content.

No connected realms/cross realm instances. I know this gives you convenience, but at the price of accountability. And you should never sacrifice accountability. The vote kick system does nothing to help. I would caveat that the new "tourist" mode LFR is probably an exception. That's meant to give crappy gear and just be an easy thing to do. LFR within a server would probably not work.

Raid attunements

What I don't miss:

Having to relearn abilities when changing specs

No dual-talent spec

[Notshauna]

Miss:
Being ignorant of the bad decisions that Blizzard made and makes. It's much nicer to be able to look at the story and see anything other than a mess, or look at the world and see it as anything but a series of encounters and hubs, to not know the failings of the questing system.

Class Quests. This is what really made my Blood Elf Paladin feel like a Blood Elf Paladin. Doing that quest chain you saw how Blood Elves approached being a Paladin, from the initiate that was killed to practice resurrecting, from the battles with other Paladins and to the recovering of emblem from the Ghostlands. It really showed the sacrifices the Blood Elven people make and the questionable nature of their solutions, be it enslaving a Naaru, using fel magic or allying with their long time enemies the Horde.

No Heirlooms. In particular the gear not the experience boost, the experience boost is fine as I don't like questing (Basically first miss). Getting that gear invalidates so much of the progression from leveling, with only a small number of slots being useful. This is also why I don't really like leveling in an expansion once I'm raid geared. Heirlooms also killed twinking a lot, gone are the days where someone paid the equivalent of an epic mount to be the best level 19 rogue you can be.

The Idea of Raid Attunements. Good idea bad execution, it should be guild wide.


Mixed Feelings:
Talent System. While I like the old one better from a design perspective, the new one offers a lot more interesting abilities.


Don't Miss:
No Dual Spec. And I don't even count the original Ulduar iteration, it wasn't until they reduced it to 100g that I ever found myself using it.

The Gold. My god was everything so expensive in Vanilla, the only time I was able to get a mount when it was level appropriate when I got a rare drop from SFK.

[Deleted]

Remember back when Pallies were tank heals, Shaman were raid heals, Druid were insta-heals and Priests were Utility heals? Was a lot more fun feeling like you had a role as a healer rather than just every healer healing everybody like we have nowadays.

I agree with this.

[lMishka]

Miss: The way BGs were, how the honor was got.

Don't Miss: Different ranks which you had to use.

Small list but meh don't feel like thinking out ALL of them. Just the stuff I'm bothered by right now :P Ahem... honor.

[zorkuus]

Remember back when Pallies were tank heals, Shaman were raid heals, Druid were insta-heals and Priests were Utility heals? Was a lot more fun feeling like you had a role as a healer rather than just every healer healing everybody like we have nowadays.

I also remember if certain classes weren't available the raid was cancelled.

[2about]

Miss: Optional epic quest chains. I loved doing Champion of the Naaru and Hand of A'dal quest lines. combines the solo questing with the raid requirements and lore.

Don' miss: making groups for daily heroic instances. spend more time in finding groups than finishing the instance.
how people were discouraged to do heroic mgt....

[gloucester]

I miss the epicness of a gearing up while levelling.
I miss aspect of the viper
I miss volley! Why oh why did they take volley away
I miss class uniqueness.

[WanderingBreezes]

What I miss: Nothing

What I dont miss: Everything

Pretty much the same. Coming to Cataclysm after level three characters to 70+ in Wrath... yeah, grass actually was much greener on the other side of that coming expansion.

[Baconeggcheese]

Leveling curve and how filled it was with extra stuff, making it feel like actual part of game rather than something to skip ASAP.

^This

I also miss not having 4 raid difficulties, feel its excessive. I don't miss people not getting to see the last tier of an xpac because of it though so meh.

[Selah]

Gotta say, I Miss the old talent system, my biggest complaint is that it's gone.

[Allatar]

Miss:
Class quests.
The genuine sense of exploration 1-60 simply because it was new.
Having fun learning the game and mechanics in a guild full of people as clueless as you were.

Don't miss:
Having to learn every new rank of your skills when you levelled up.
Reagents for my spells (brb forgot to buy candles).
Mana / wizard oil.
Having to click on every single stage of a long flight path as you got dismounted on each section of the flight.

[Deleted]

Hello Guys, so yeah... i'm an old-school player.

i've been playing World of Warcraft since launch, and i must say... the game is pretty much ruined... don't you think?
probably not, because you don't know better since most of you weren't there when it all began, when the game was epic.
here, i'll mention a few things that has changed during the years... which has also made the game dig its own grave.

i could login right now with my newly dinged 90 shaman... and get full "best" pvp gear in 1 day...
(yeah i'm serious... since i have a cap for about 18000k conquest points)

and wtf about this "oh you've never been to this dungeon? well then you can't join.... link achievement or you will never be able to tag along..."

*** what happaned to attunaments? i actually liked attunaments!! ***

"Hey guys we have outdoor pvp.... but if you try to attack someone they can sap/stun/cc you and fly away"

"but oh wait... no one is ever outside of the city anyway!"

"you want epics? sure just /claim epics... they're free, go ahead take them!"
ep·ic [ep-ik]: heroic; majestic; impressively great: the epic events of the war."
does it look like Epic is still... epic to you?

"you want mounts? sure go to this place and farm for 1 day and you'll be exalted!"

"a day is too much? oh sorry, get this tabard, only 45 silver and you can get it in half a day instead!"

"the game is not unbalanced... that is why frost mages have never been nerfed but everyone else has."

"oh you're queueing as a dps? just hold on a minute... or 15... no wait u must wait 30 minutes sorry!"
*** please allow more classes to be able to tank ***

"oh your friend died... don't worry you can resurrect him in combat... oh no you died... don't worry he can combat ress you as well... unless you're in heroic."

"damn a sword dropped and i really want it... i didn't get it... whatever i'll get the mace, the axe or the 1h weapons from all the other bosses with almost the exact same stats... cuz i'll transmog anyway."

"you wanna work hard to achieve? ... ... wait... ... sorry then this is not the game for you, we've optimized this game for 12 years and under... so that they can progress every day... and get free epics"


i still remember when i played in vanilla... i played my warrior for over 1 year and i had like 2 epics at first... the unstoppable force and the immovable object. AND THOSE WERE PVP REWARDS WTF
***You had to be exalted with Alterac Valley***

then i hit ranked up in PvP which took me a couple of months... i eventually got the shoulders from being exalted with Arathi Basin which was nice... and rest of my gear was rank 1-9 blues... until i had played for another few months and actually ranked up to rank 11 i believe it was? to get boots and gloves? i almost felt mighty... as if i had accomplished some greatness in the game... people were happy about me ranking up... i was starting to get a littlebit famous... if it wasn't for that guy Ztar from a particular guild who climbed in ranks like ridiculously fast because he actually achieved a LEGENDARY WEAPON (Ragnaros Hand) and he was the only one on the server, so he started smashing the pvp big-time.... well, i can't say he didn't deserve it... he totally did... he was a true legend on the Darksorrow Realm... but he was no match for the Alliance Human Female Warrior... Anise... She was rank 14, a real grand marshal... every horde feared her... even in the local defence chat "/3" people would say RUN!!! ANISE IS COMING TO TYRS HAND and seriously we all abandoned the place because we knew we'd get humiliated by her skills...

however, moving on;

i remember when it was actually HARD to get items... i remember when i was HAPPY when i got a new item?
nowdays you can defeat the game in less than 2 months... do all dungeons get all the best gear with extra rolls... cuz rolling once per boss each week wasn't enough... like WTF?!?!?!?! GAME IT'S TOO EASY... AND I DON'T LIKE EASY GAMES i miss the old times... where you had to run to your place with 60% mount cuz there was no way in hell you could farm 500g for 100% mount... and the only way to get a faster mount was to get that friggin carrot on a damn stick... xD

"LET'S DO AV... AND SUMMON BOSS!" - 2008 player be like: boss? what boss? is there a boss in AV? u mean Vandaar or something? balinda? can't summon, they're already there!

"I remember when i could play AV for 10 hours, go to bed and come back... and enter THE SAME DAMN AV!" 2008 players be like - wat? how? everyone protected base or what? omg noobs! i usually win/loose av in 15 min

*** FIX THIS OMG I MISS IT... ***

"i remember in vanilla... you could not waste your hearthstone if you knew you had to go back to Orgrimmar TWICE... cuz there was a 60 min cooldown... so you'd use the flight path!"

"i remember in Vanilla... you could go just select any of those; Silithus, Eastern Plague, Winterspring, Burning Steppes, Blackrock Mountain... if you wanted some PvP... cuz people were actually doing quests... and couldn't escape with flying mount... and if you wanted to be really evil, you could also go to Stv/Stonetalon/Feralas and kill low levels, even Ashenvale you'd see allys 24/7...

the best part? the most evil part? let's take it from the beginning...

in vanilla... at level 20 you could do Wailing Caverns or the old version of Deadmines...
if you were horde, you'd stand in Crossroads and /1 LF3M HEALER TANK AND DPS FOR WC!!! /w me
if you were a ally, you'd stand in Westfall and do the same... AFTER YOU HAD FOUND 5 MEMBERS FOR A TEAM... it was finally time to summon them with the MEETING STONE... and ATLEAST 2 players had to go there to summon...

if you wanted to be evil... you could just go to WC or DM summoner stones and await a 5 man party... go in there and slay them... you wouldn't even one shot them... there was no such thing as one shotting people back then. maybe a lvl 1-20 ok... but not above that. you'd crit MAXIMUM of 2k. but that was with special abilities and trinkets and shit. anyways... fun way to gank people... if you were really evil that is. *** i'm not evil, promise! ***

wanna hear more? oh yeah... i remember in vanilla... if someone had half gear with epics he was cool... if someone had epic mount he was cool... if someone had found the ZULIAN TIGER HE WAS SUPER COOL...

but if someone Obtained the Amani War bear, "k bro who cares"
if someone gets full epic in a week "k bro who cares"
nothing is special nowadays and Blizzard made sure that everything was easy to obtain. even Raven Lord was once very very very rare, and could only be obtained if you were a Druid
*** well, you could give it away to team members ***

another one; engineering was fun, you could make bombs and use them...
first aid was necessary for most people cuz it actually healed you about 50% your hp.
HEALING POTS, don't forget that... it was also like 50% your hp...

hunters had to buy arrows and could use melee in close combat... now they just scatter > trap you to get away and where's the fun in that? i miss razor blade and wingclip wtf

P.S. if you were good in vanilla... you were famous. not cuz you streamed, not cuz you were some other internet celebrity. but for the fact that there was no such thing as cross realm PVP or PVE.

people would be like "omg Anise on alliance side is rank 14. ****ing GRAND MARSHAL. RESPECT. DON'T MESS WITH HER."

now when i find friends which is very rare, they're on another realm and 1 week later they're forgotten.

i remember when i could walk past orgrimmar auction house and see 20 players that was my friends...

now it's more like: Ankrut? he must be new... Blrgu... he must also be new... who is this and who is that?

no respect, no nothing. :3 i'm very sad because World of Warcraft used to be such a nice place and i had tons of friends

* i could keep on writing here for hours about things that is ruined, but unfortunately i don't have more time.
please comment what you think about this...

1. Should it really be this easy to farm gear?
2. Wouldn't you like Attunaments instead of achievement linking?
3. Would you mind, if epics were only obtainable from raids, with a lower chance? say 2 items per boss drops, instead of like 6-8 or whatever it is?
4. How can you be happy about getting a item, if you know that within the next 24 hours you might replace it?
5. Why would there be so many zones with so many quests... if you don't even have time to do more than 5 quests each zone because you level up too fast?
6. i watched a Youtube Video of a blue geared level 90 going to Draenor for the first time... and 2 hitted mobs... and got BLUE GEAR FROM QUESTS!?!?!? will Draenor really be that easy!?!? is there no challenge in questing?!?!

please tell me what you think, and please criticize and change my mind, i really want to be interested in playing Warlords of Draenor... but i'm having a hard time right now...

and i do not blame Blizzard for any of this, they've just been listening to their "fans"
i love blizzard and i always will... i hope that some day there will be Vanilla or TBC realms... inside the Original World of Warcraft Client.

***** i will add more to this thread later, i must continue working right now... i'm sorry *****

Sincerely, Everztar / Nizque / Piizh / Chojuro, Implodanter of the Realms Darksorrow and Stormscale.

[Deleted]

Miss: The magic of it all

Not miss: bugged quest, walking to a fucking dungeon as if I have nothing better to do, wait for 40 people to show up for the raid, AFK-ing on a fucking flightpath from Darnassus to Gadgezan, Reagents, Skill levels, Arrow quiver (fucking fuck fuck in the middle of a raid), taking about a year to gear up an alt decently, need I go on?

[inboundpaper]

There are a few quest chains I miss, and I liked LFD with no LFR better than things now. I don't miss every addon breaking on patch day.

[Deleted]

Could make a wall of text about this, but some major ones:

Miss:

Only one level of raid difficulty. (But RF would be OK as well, just not flex+heroic, but RF was post 4.0)

Ulduar type hard modes.

Levelling (and dungeons) treated more as part of the journey of a character, rather than an inconvenient step before epics.

Having at least 2 raids per tier.

Class quests. These still exist, but now they are just do dungeon X to collect item(s) Y to make blue item Z that you will vendor in 5 levels.

Do Not Miss:

Fire immune bosses and adds of bosses (as a TBC mage raider).

Defence rating crit immunity caps.

Single spec.

Reagents.

ToC.

[Phunkle]

My list ist kinda short, I guess.

I don't miss leveling each different weapon type. I remember a hunter once in Kara, right before the opera event. He got a new bow just a couple of minutes back, however, he didn't have the skill for it. So he was really mad at us when we killed all the rats in our way he was using to level up.

What i actually do miss ist the lack of social environment. I like LFG, but it killed the funny moments. That's somewhat sad. 10 Wipes with a very bad group ( me including ) during this gauntlet in the stattered halls, without anyone rage quitting. The old times

[Kalimonde]

I miss and quit due to the talent system. I just can't imagine an MMO without talents/specs, I love SWTOR talents at the moment. Even the starfighters have talents, so you can own galactic starfighters due to their poor choices. So cool to find the best talents for your purpose, particularly in PvP. Also in PvE you want to know the bis build in every patch, and that means changing rotations. WoW is now boooooooooooring, boooooooooooooring, yes boooooooooooooooring. Please take talents back and I'm in

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Boooooooooooring

[therealbowser]

1. The old talent system. I liked building my character. It has always been cookie cutter and it's no different now, but building and setting up a character, possibly doing a tiny amount of research for the best choices... I miss doing that.

2. Vanilla Alterac Valley. The best PVP experience I ever had.

3. The community.

4. The wonder. Being able to explore the world and find enjoyment in the game on your own terms was incredible back then. I kind of miss not being led by my nose to whatever Blizzard wanted me to do for progression. The dailies in MoP were the worst, especially the walled progression with it.

5. Class quests. Forgot this one, they added a lot of flavor to the game that is sorely missed now.

That's pretty much it off the top of my head, though I know I am missing a tremendous amount of things, or at the very least am not doing it justice. Vanilla was great, TBC was amazing and WoW was at its peak for WotLK, but things have changed both for the worse and for the better since then. Overall, though, this game has stagnated. I do admit to missing what this game used to be, but I'm glad a lot of the needlessly tedious crap no longer exists.

[Sadoraan]

SNIP
***** i will add more to this thread later, i must continue working right now... i'm sorry *****

Sincerely, Everztar / Nizque / Piizh / Chojuro, Implodanter of the Realms Darksorrow and Stormscale.

Please don't add more to this later. I'm not going to actually reply to all the things you posted because it would take me as long as i imagine it took you. But please just stop.

Your English/general writing ability is absolutely awful. It makes it very irritating/difficult to read your absurdly long post. This isn't me trying to troll you or anything like that, your post looks genuinely like it was written by a 13 year old. On top of that, the vast majority of your "points" (and i use that term loosely) are completely terrible. As I said, i'm not going to actually reply to your essay on a specific basis, because it would take me a very long time, and on top of that, it isn't even worth it. Sure there might be a few people out there who actually agree with you, god forbid, But they will be in the vast vast minority.

No one in their right mind will waste their time trying to "convince" you to change your opinions. It is much easier to just let you go on living in whatever world it is that you live in, that thinks writing out this ridiculously long post was in any way warranted or justified.

As i have not responded directly to your points, you are welcome to completely ignore my post. Though i would hope that the majority of the rest of this threads respondents will find your post equally as moronic as i did.

[Deleted]

Miss:

Talent trees. I enjoyed being able to play weird specs (hemo/swords anyone? SL/SL lock?) that sort of worked. I also think that no matter what people say about them being cookie cutter, there WERE terrible specs and it let you at least know if that person had a brain or not.

Do you honestly think all those players parroting that shit they'd heard on elitist-jerks as justification for why they copied their cut-n-paste spec from the interwebz was a legitimate indication of intelligence? That was in fact, one the major things that was wrong with the old days.
At least now there's actual player choice for how someone wants to - effectively (keyword!) - play their toon.
We could certainly do with more tiers within the new system though, no doubt about that, e.g. a talent choice every 10 levels at least.