Make it blue. As item quality no longer affects item budget, they would have the exact same power, they just wouldn't be epic. It's something that should have happened when LFR first came out.
Unchanged: LFR is epic slightly higher than last Tier normal, worse than current tier normal
Change; Change loot to Blue quality, lower than the first tier normal gear.
Change 3: Remove LFR from the game.
Make it blue. As item quality no longer affects item budget, they would have the exact same power, they just wouldn't be epic. It's something that should have happened when LFR first came out.
Except the difference between rewards in LFR and Heroic (Soon to be mythic) are far far larger than your analogy (As they should be). There's a huge difference between an equally skilled player in LFR gear, and one in Heroic.. without mentioning the other rewards for stepping out of LFR. That's why I say how it is currently is fine.
Besides, you got your $50 for doing something you enjoy (otherwise you wouldn't be doing it, right?), which is more than your sibling anyway.
I voted for "Change 3: Remove Looking For Retard from the game."
It is not raiding! Never was, never will be. It's glorified 5 man dungeons/heroics. If all it's meant for is people to "see raid content" (as opposed to going back after the next expansion is out ) then it should have all loot removed and be just that... A way for them to see the content.
It also encourages people to think they can raid (real raiding) when they don't know anything about their class or spec.
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That's where you're being short-sighted, if there is not reward other than seeing the content, then it'll be dead after the first week of release. Then some players will never get to see it due to that.
Carrot and stick required. Just accept it for what it is, so casuals can see the game and gain some small progression. Otherwise they have nothing more to do mid/late expansion.
The rewards aren't that close.
Besides, this is a game we play for enjoyment - killing the hardest content and getting the best gear should be the reward for Mythic. And it is. I'm really not concerned about the person who just wants to the best gear in order to lord it over the people who run "lesser" raids. Catering to people whose enjoyment and fun comes at the expense of other people is dumb, and I'm glad that Blizzard's design intent seems to reflect that.
nothing wrong with lfr, if you dont like it then dont run it lol
Maybe the rewards are far apart in ilvl, but that is a hollow and unsatisfying advantage. What they are doing now is a good step in the right direction they just need to take it a bit further. It should be clear that LFR is the bastard child and you won't be rewarded very well at all for doing it. Basically get your ass into normal+ if you want decent rewards.
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If the only difference is ilvl, then yes they are that close. Blizzard is headed in the right direction with taking tier away from lfr and giving them sub par looking sets. They just need to take it a bit further. If you put in no effort you shouldn't get hardly anything in return.
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It is a sad façade that makes people feel like they are raiding when they actually are not.
I fully agree that it should be tuned for 25 LFR players and I don't think the buff you get after a wipe is enough. Cause after the first wipe, you can be sure someone's going to leave. Then you sit there and wait for the last people and god forbid it's a healer and a tank. No, it needs to be tuned so that even while half the raid is afk and the other half are doing 25% of what their gear allows them, they will still kill the boss. It would solve so much raging in LFR tbh.
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I agree that it isn't so much the players in LFR that's causing the issue, it's Blizz and the design of LFR. Cause ofc you're going to have issues when raiders join for some Legendary items and just wanna get it done fast and then you have the majority of the raid who just can't pull their weight so the boss die. If the bosses were tuned for a semi afk raid, nobody would care about the newbie who's auto attacking, the Hunter with no pet etc. But when a group wipes to something everyone considers piss easy, then those who do carry their own weight or more will get upset.
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I get your point and I generally agree with it. The difference in terms of the current LFR design, is that it does affect Normal/HC raiders what LFR players do/don't do. Sure you could tell the players farming cloaks that they could just make their own groups but why would they, when LFR is there? And in LFR I personally get really frustrated/pissed off, when I wipe on Durumu cause 20 players died to the beam (not even joking). I never afk during a boss in LFR, cause I know I can carry a lot of the dps but when I then see the shitter in full greens just afk his/her way to loot, then I get pissed.
Easy fix - keep lfr, make it so each player toon only gets loot from each boss once per lockout.
Example: Raider 1 kills boss x on lfr, raider one now cannot get loot from boss x on the harder difficulties until the following week.
This will keep the people who feel LFR is beneath them from going in just to get a set piece or trinket. It would then courage people to try the hardest difficulty they can do.
LFR is fine. LFR loot is fine. Don't like it - don't do it. If you don't run LFR - stop designing something you don't participate/understand/whatever.
BTW I hope Blizz wil remove tier sets from all difficulties but mythic. Can imagine 133t whinefest.
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Why do you care? I don't understand. Normal, heroic, and mythic raiders already get much much better gear than LFR raiders. Normal/Heroic/Mythic raiders get special achievements, vanity pets, mounts, etc in addition to the much better gear. Why do you need to add more degrading shit to the LFR players? Do you really want an even more empty game? Because that's what you'd get the more you take things away from the LFR crowd. They are the majority, and if you piss them off and they feel like their progression path isn't rewarding, they're not going to "step it up." and jump into "real raiding." - They're going to leave, and then you'll have your pets and mounts and better gear and achievements and nobody to flex your raider muscles to.
The game is not, cannot, and will not go back to the way it was in Vanilla where Blizzard could cater to the top 2% of the playerbase.
Oh please this, please. I'd LOVE for tier sets to be Mythic only. That way the people that complain about LFR won't have them either, because the players that will be running mythic don't give a damn about LFR.
I'd like to see colored text on gear disappear altogether since it does nothing but cause arguments. Let it rise or fall on ilevel alone since that's really what players care about.
LFR is fine. Stop suggesting it be removed if you don't run it. For years I didn't once enter a BG and I've never done arena. You won't find me complaining that PVP should be out of the game.
Finally I'll suggest you go and read the third part of the summary on the history of raiding that Watcher wrote and published a few months ago. Raid Finder is here to stay. The believe it to be important and are putting some effort to make sure that those that it's intended for get something out of it and those that it's not intended for can stay away.
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