Evolution of Jaina Proudmore in WOD

[Azahel]

I'd like to see Khadgar mocking her leadership and doing a better job of sorting things out then she can, just to rub salt in the wound.

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Not as much as it does now. It really has become a case now that before wow the characters were built up as having their own story. Into wow they still had that, up until the end of wrath, when the developers began to think 'lets make the focus of the lore based around the players avatar and how that works around the lore figures'. Nowadays you can't do anything without 'the heroes' being part of lore characters adventures.

Jaina is just a prop now for players.

Indeed. going back to draenor only reminds me oh how complex and well written the rise of the horde was. Don't get me wrong, I love wow and all, but it's the worst thing that ever happened to warcraft lore because everything happens for balance reasons and because you can't deny a part of the players something. So we have things like cataclysm where the outgoings of the war were actually decided by having in mind zone lvling balance and neutral heroes that include the other faction on things that they are not even supposed to care much about to begin with.
Is the story still good? Yes, but we'll never see the unbalances of before with one faction losing a lot at some point, and resources will never be a problem for expanding territory out of thin air. Not to mention many things that we can do for gameplay reasons that end up making a lot of people confused about the lore itself.
Oh well...

[Trassk]

Imo her character makes sense. We'll see how she behaves in WoD now that she's calmed down due to what happened during Garrosh's trial. Being forced to relive those experiences and facing the insane version of herself was terrible, but allowed her to face her trauma, and gain some comfort as well as regaining some emotional peace and clarity.

She apparently already had that 'sense of emotional peace' when she became ruler of dalaran, spouting some bullshit about both sides coming together, but the moment a rogue horde agent did something, she turned into a raving psycho yet again, without even debating it. She's a broken record, or worse, she's now just a tool when a psychos needed to fill in that role in the story.

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Indeed. going back to draenor only reminds me oh how complex and well written the rise of the horde was. Don't get me wrong, I love wow and all, but it's the worst thing that ever happened to warcraft lore because everything happens for balance reasons and because you can't deny a part of the players something. So we have things like cataclysm where the outgoings of the war were actually decided by having in mind zone lvling balance and neutral heroes that include the other faction on things that they are not even supposed to care much about to begin with.
Is the story still good? Yes, but we'll never see the unbalances of before with one faction losing a lot at some point, and resources will never be a problem for expanding territory out of thin air. Not to mention many things that we can do for gameplay reasons that end up making a lot of people confused about the lore itself.
Oh well...

Sadly this is just how the game functions now, I'm even convinced the developers are completely unaware in there own hubris of just how far off kilter they've come since the times of lore being ABOUT lore characters.

[Fahrenheit]

I wouldn't really expect Jaina to see much more character development until a South Seas expansion where they introduce Kul'tiras, she is basically the Princess of Kul'tiras and it would be interesting to see where Blizzard takes that.

I concur.

The next 1.5~2 years will essentially be about defeating already defeated (in our timeline) orcs with a dash of space goat, birdman, & ogre thrown in for flavor.

[Deleted]

After garrosh's trial, has she come to her senses again?
How is her relationship with Kalec?

After "War Crimes" shes back to normal now (kinda) and yes, shes once again happy to be a dragon-mount. Kalec was the main reason btw. since he basically gave her the choice "stop hating, or stop humping".

That being said, I don't think we will see her in WoD. Firstly, she was overused (pun intended) in MoP anyway, Secondly, she has no connection with Draenor whatsoever, Thirdly Blizz would not want her there...they went to lengths making her an interesting character, it didn't work (As alliance already has an iconic badass), they pulled the brake on her.

[greeeed]

After "War Crimes" shes back to normal now (kinda) and yes, shes once again happy to be a dragon-mount. Kalec was the main reason btw. since he basically gave her the choice "stop hating, or stop humping".

That being said, I don't think we will see her in WoD. Firstly, she was overused (pun intended) in MoP anyway, Secondly, she has no connection with Draenor whatsoever, Thirdly Blizz would not want her there...they went to lengths making her an interesting character, it didn't work (As alliance already has an iconic badass), they pulled the brake on her.

1-looking at thrall & Orc.....
(other horde races still waiting for their turn)

2-actually Khadgar was helping the horde too so from alliance point of view he is another natural hero

[Northem]

Jaina needs peace and quiet. And a wedding in a big way with Kalec. She should step down as leader of the Kirin Tor and go to Kul Tiras for a while.

Now, before Khadgar be appointed as the new leader of the Kirin Tor and Dalaran, he must actively prove himself as a true hero of the Alliance, leaving behind the image of neutrality that he has had so far.

To do this, we must ensure that Khadgar regains the confidence of the entire Alliance by antagonizing himself against the Horde... Somehow, Khadgar must be forced to choose between the Alliance or the Horde, having no other possibility.

This way, Khadgar would show that he disapproves and distrusts of the horde, even though he has had to work with them exceptionally.

Of course this would be a great closing event for the WoD expansion.

[Skorpionss]

I think Jaina is now (after War Crimes) one of the best characters in current WoW... She was really boring as a hippie... Now, she isn't warmongering but she's not a hippie anymore either, they managed to balance her somewhat ... Sure the road was a bit bumpy and it seemed at times that she'd go completely insane and murder every orc ever... But she seems to have calmed herself and is once again levelheaded, while untrusting of the horde and not seeking their cooperation anymore.

[chaddd]

I just want her to go crazy again so we can kill her.

I need another alliance bad guy/gal! Just a raving lunatic that is hell bent on some good old horde genocide.

[Osiria]

Yes, because it completely flies in the face of her established character. It would be like Blizzard saying "Yeah, you know what, we don't want Sylvanas to be a ruthless self-serving type character anymore. She's gonna be good and work with Vol'jin as an awesome ally now!"

I mean, it's their game and their story; they can certainly do whatever they wish. But when a character does a complete 180 and changes their entire personality, people are gonna use language like that to describe just how out of character it is.

Complete 180? Please, go read the story and pay attention to what happens. It's the same problem with people talking about Dalaran as if there was "mass murder". Too much convenient personal interpretation, but not enough attention paid to what is really going on or happened.

In case you don't want to, or simply will ignore what's in there, take a look at this post. It explains everything pretty well.

http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...1#post29110923

[Tenjen]

Jaina Proudmoore, Empress of the Burning Legion.

[Aeula]

Jaina needs peace and quiet. And a wedding in a big way with Kalec. She should step down as leader of the Kirin Tor and go to Kul Tiras for a while.

Now, before Khadgar be appointed as the new leader of the Kirin Tor and Dalaran, he must actively prove himself as a true hero of the Alliance, leaving behind the image of neutrality that he has had so far.

To do this, we must ensure that Khadgar regains the confidence of the entire Alliance by antagonizing himself against the Horde... Somehow, Khadgar must be forced to choose between the Alliance or the Horde, having no other possibility.

This way, Khadgar would show that he disapproves and distrusts of the horde, even though he has had to work with them exceptionally.

Of course this would be a great closing event for the WoD expansion.

So basically you want Jaina to grow a beard and a dick and ditch her dragon boyfriend who she is likely to create an abominable halfbreed with?
Khadgar always does what's best for Azeroth, not for the alliance, it'd go against his personality to make him hostile to the horde.

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Complete 180? Please, go read the story and pay attention to what happens. It's the same problem with people talking about Dalaran as if there was "mass murder". Too much convenient personal interpretation, but not enough attention paid to what is really going on or happened.

In case you don't want to, or simply will ignore what's in there, take a look at this post. It explains everything pretty well.

http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...1#post29110923

Somebody clearly didn't play the horde side where alliance troops kill the cowering civilians (Jaina helps them KILL them too).
It was both wrongful imprisonment and a massacre.

[Xilurm]

Jaina needs peace and quiet. And a wedding in a big way with Kalec. She should step down as leader of the Kirin Tor and go to Kul Tiras for a while.

Now, before Khadgar be appointed as the new leader of the Kirin Tor and Dalaran, he must actively prove himself as a true hero of the Alliance, leaving behind the image of neutrality that he has had so far.

To do this, we must ensure that Khadgar regains the confidence of the entire Alliance by antagonizing himself against the Horde... Somehow, Khadgar must be forced to choose between the Alliance or the Horde, having no other possibility.

This way, Khadgar would show that he disapproves and distrusts of the horde, even though he has had to work with them exceptionally.

Of course this would be a great closing event for the WoD expansion.

Fuck Kalec. She was thinking of Arthas for so many years and now suddenly it's about the dragon meat. Why do they even bother with the stupid relationships anyway? This isn't a love story.

[Osiria]

Somebody clearly didn't play the horde side where alliance troops kill the cowering civilians (Jaina helps them KILL them too).
It was both wrongful imprisonment and a massacre.

No, it wasn't.

There were a few casualties. Some due to hostile actions taken against the Silver Covenant and the Kirin Tor, and some coming from the Silver Covenant, probably as a payback for what happened.

[Lahis]

aka she is neither a peace lover or a warmonger and just wants love/be alone aka maybe we might see a more fleshed out kalec jaina relationship so maybe she gets preg?

Human/dragon hybrids? Oh god please no.

[Osiria]

Fuck Kalec. She was thinking of Arthas for so many years and now suddenly it's about the dragon meat. Why do they even bother with the stupid relationships anyway? This isn't a love story.

Blizzard is has this urge to make female characters be forced into some kind of relationship, to the point they try to define them throught said relationships. Look at what happened ICC with Jaina and Tyrande as a whole.

[Aeula]

No, it wasn't.

There were a few casualties. Some due to hostile actions taken against the Silver Covenant and the Kirin Tor, and some coming from the Silver Covenant, probably as a payback for what happened.

You missed the stormwind troops who started killing without being provoked and Jaina who ran around fireballing everybody when she could have just teleported them away (She only teleports some, and even then it's after she fireballs them).

[Noobslicer]

Fuck Kalec. She was thinking of Arthas for so many years and now suddenly it's about the dragon meat. Why do they even bother with the stupid relationships anyway? This isn't a love story.

They somehow need to implement new characters to the game, otherwise it will get old hearing about the same characters for ages..
+ Who doesn't want babys?

[Lahis]

They somehow need to implement new characters to the game, otherwise it will get old hearing about the same characters for ages..
+ Who doesn't want babys?

Thing is, time moves so slowly in lore (about one year per expansion) that we'll be in expansion 17 before Thrall's son (or in this case, Jaina's dragonspawn) will be old enough to be of any kind of relevance.

[Noobslicer]

Thing is, time moves so slowly in lore (about one year per expansion) that we'll be in expansion 17 before Thrall's son (or in this case, Jaina's dragonspawn) will be old enough to be of any kind of relevance.

Don't judge the ways like that.. Just look Anduin for reference.. He was just a little kid when he was in Stormwind, and yet, few expansions later, he is a teenager roaming around and evolving his personality / character in the lore...

What I'm aiming at is.. they can always "fast forward" the time in the lore..

[Lahis]

Don't judge the ways like that.. Just look Anduin for reference.. He was just a little kid when he was in Stormwind, and yet, few expansions later, he is a teenager roaming around and evolving his personality / character in the lore...

What I'm aiming at is.. they can always "fast forward" the time in the lore..

Look at timelines: Official visual Guide timeline. Unofficial Wowpedia timeline that is more indepth and doesn't conflict the Visual Guide timeline.

World of Warcraft begins at the year 25 after the Dark Portal. The events of Mists of Pandaria happen during year 30. Anduin was 10 when WoW begun and is now, during MoP, 15 which fits well with his current in-game representation. Thrall's son was born in year 29 or 30 after the Cataclysm, so it'll take atleast around 10 years (and about as much expansions) before he or any other "new generation" character can be used. And I doubt Blizz will do massive timeskips between expansions.