[GUIDE] Mistweavers of Draenor: PvE Healing in [6.2]

[Slakos]

Floopa in the log you posted only 7 players receive any healing from leech. I would expect it to spread across the entire raid. I looked around to see if it was registering as something else but wasn't able to find anything. Seems kinda odd.

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...ability=143924

[Totaltotemic]

Floopa in the log you posted only 7 players receive any healing from leech. I would expect it to spread across the entire raid. I looked around to see if it was registering as something else but wasn't able to find anything. Seems kinda odd.

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...ability=143924

There's no buff even related to the trinket anywhere in those logs. It appears to actually just be base Leech from gear rather than anything done by the trinket. Maybe they just broke the trinket?

[Floopa]

There's no buff even related to the trinket anywhere in those logs. It appears to actually just be base Leech from gear rather than anything done by the trinket. Maybe they just broke the trinket?

oh that's completely possible

the heal in logs is simply labelled as "leech" but yeah

[Totaltotemic]

oh that's completely possible

the heal in logs is simply labelled as "leech" but yeah

Right but there should be some kind of buff that says that they get X leech from healing done to them. The only trinket related buff there is the Autoclave's haste buff. I wouldn't be surprised if they disabled it though since it was broken as hell.

[Volibear]

There's no buff even related to the trinket anywhere in those logs. It appears to actually just be base Leech from gear rather than anything done by the trinket. Maybe they just broke the trinket?

Is the leech buff from trinket supposed to have an aura?

Edit: Shadowfel Infusion
Leech increased by 0.
10 seconds remaining

Found the aura on Wowhead.

Also thanks for the tips Spotnick, Suplifts gave me some advice last night too.

[Floopa]

the trinket may have been in a state where it was broken for the socrethar test

this is archimonde heroic a couple weeks before: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...Any&by=ability

this is when leech was pretty broken

[Geodew]

i feel like the hellfire citadel trinkets, even at mythic quality, will not beat mythic BRF trinkets.

if you have heroic spirit trinkets, the leech trinket WILL beat shielding talisman however if you have mythic BRF trinkets nothing beats them. while geodew's math may say otherwise, and i'm sure we can all agree we are thankful to him for helping every single 1 of us, the reality is that spirit is so strong for MWs that the healing output you do is centred wholly, more so than any other healer, around your unbuffed spirit

sure you can argue "lose 300 spirit for 280 int and mana cost reduction" but you wont see a hps increase. the insane spirit values we can achieve in full HFC mythic gear w/ mythic WF brf trinkets (3.1-3.2k) would basically allow us, in an 8 minute fight, to have around 65-70% uptime on RJW. that hps is simply unmatched by anything offered in HFC. the leech trinket *was* overpowered, and it was *too much* but they nerfed it into a very bad spot imo, which i'm kinda glad about because progression races shouldn't be based off which guild got OP trinkets. this was the latest log for our mythic tests (take from it what you will): https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...ing&by=ability and leech healed, across all wipes, 4.41m or 1.26% of overall healing done. for socrethar i was the only person using the leech trinket afaik. similarly, you can see that across all wipes i was the highest healer on it (which would also boost the leech trinket's value considerably). it's because of this i just think we're "better off" using double spirit BRF trinkets. i actually decided to test the possible longevetiy i could achieve using autoclave + phylactery vs autoclave + shield talisman: with autoclave + phylactery i went oom after 5:25 and i had a 39% uptime on RJW, however when i used autoclave + shield talisman i couldn't go oom. i eventually gave up and died to the tanking dummy after 17:45~ (hilariously having a higher uptime on RJW too). another important factor is that with our 2/4pc, we want to cast more uplifts during the extend life duration. in order to do this we have to spam RJW more, and cast surging mist a lot more. to do this we need a lot of spirit.

If the math doesn't reflect in-game observations and perceptions, I should either be able to explain why (e.g. player wasn't playing optimally), or I consider the math in error. For example, if I did not account for Leech's increased overheal would result in my math claiming a higher value for the trinket than is obtainable in practice, and I'd consider that a shortcoming of the mathematical estimate, not something to be worked around.

1.26% sounds overwhelmingly low, or else the overheal is extremely, extremely high. The overheal was, in fact, 60.88% -- meaning the raw healing done by Leech is 1.26/(1-0.6088) = 3.22% of the total effective healing, when it should be more like 30-40% for one Leech trinket user, divided by the number of healers (so about 6-8% just from the trinket, again including overheal). It does indeed sound like the trinket is bugged.

[Volibear]

the trinket may have been in a state where it was broken for the socrethar test

this is archimonde heroic a couple weeks before: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...Any&by=ability

this is when leech was pretty broken

That log shows just over 92% uptime of the Shadowfel Infusion buff on the raid, whereas the last log you linked doesn't show the buff at all. Definitely bugged.

[Floopa]

That log shows just over 92% uptime of the Shadowfel Infusion buff on the raid, whereas the last log you linked doesn't show the buff at all. Definitely bugged.

there we go then

silly game is silly i guess. maybe i can feel more sympathetic towards losing 100 spirit as long as i can maintain 2850~

on a side note, i healed kromog mythic today with 2.1k spirit and OMG I WANTED TO KILL MYSELF. rjw uptime of 28.5%. jesus fuck it sucked so much.

[Geodew]

Our Disc must be great or something because I can never seem to spend all my mana outside of Blast Furnace (and only if heat is sketchy). I usually drop down to ~1800 Spirit for anything except Blast Furnace and Blackhand, and have yet to OOM except once on Thogar. Haven't finished Blackhand yet, but using double Spirit trinkets there. My RJW uptime gets pretty high (I even precast it for Blasts and Massive Demos and Stone Breath and etc etc), but there just seems to be a lot of downtime. Not sure.

[Raikan]

Yeah from what I've experienced its pretty hard too oom yourself on most fights unless you specifically try. It's a little better now that we are 3 healing every fight but Thogar, BF, and BH but overall I think mana won't be a concern by the time HFC comes around with ~3k spirit. It'll just be ridiculous as we should be able to RJW to the point that it becomes almost passive healing.

[Buildapanda]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...aling&fight=78

We've wiped 60 times and I'm just scratching my head. I'm trying to heal as much as humanly possible, if you look at casts per second, I'm top. If you look at mana expended I'm top while all the other healers are hovering at 80% mana. I really need help for my other healers and myself. It's very stressful, we can't make it to p2 with everyone alive.

[Slakos]

Your group is taking more dmg than mine from massive Demo.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...t=78&target=51
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...641&target=180

We use the 10 and 2 strat and running around the circle. On the first and second demos you can run past the stack point too reduce the dmg the raid takes. On the third one we drop a barrier since we can't get further away. At the start we drop 1 demo, move 5 yards wait untill the second demo appears then roar and fox, which lasts untill we reach the other side. This may not work if you dont have 3 roars + 3 hunters.

Healing by ability:
yours: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...=78&by=ability
mine: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...641&by=ability

Seems like tranq isn't being used to its full potential.
We have 3 hunters so that helps me a bit. We fox a second after the second demo appears, at this point I have 4 chi and I uplift then RJW (proccing power strikes) then uplift two more times, I may need to stop for the last .5 of the second uplift if fox falls off. I then RJW a second time and chi burst the raid, while standing still.

[Volibear]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...aling&fight=78

We've wiped 60 times and I'm just scratching my head. I'm trying to heal as much as humanly possible, if you look at casts per second, I'm top. If you look at mana expended I'm top while all the other healers are hovering at 80% mana. I really need help for my other healers and myself. It's very stressful, we can't make it to p2 with everyone alive.

Look at the Problems tab on the logs, you can see how much avoidable damage is being taken (P1 is interesting, because the little swirls are sometimes too close together to be 12y away from ALL of them), and you also see potion and healing tonic use.

[Slakos]

Your group is taking more dmg than mine from massive Demo.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...t=78&target=51
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...641&target=180

We use the 10 and 2 strat and running around the circle. On the first and second demos you can run past the stack point too reduce the dmg the raid takes. On the third one we drop a barrier since we can't get further away. At the start we drop 1 demo, move 5 yards wait untill the second demo appears then roar and fox, which lasts untill we reach the other side. This may not work if you dont have 3 roars + 3 hunters.

Healing by ability:
yours: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...=78&by=ability
mine: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...641&by=ability

Seems like tranq isn't being used to its full potential.
We have 3 hunters so that helps me a bit. We fox a second after the second demo appears, at this point I have 4 chi and I uplift then RJW (proccing power strikes) then uplift two more times, I may need to stop for the last .5 of the second uplift if fox falls off. I then RJW a second time and chi burst the raid, while standing still.

Maybe check out the replay probably easier to understand what I meant, but it seems like you were doing something similar.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...yH#view=replay

[Spotnick]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...aling&fight=78

We've wiped 60 times and I'm just scratching my head. I'm trying to heal as much as humanly possible, if you look at casts per second, I'm top. If you look at mana expended I'm top while all the other healers are hovering at 80% mana. I really need help for my other healers and myself. It's very stressful, we can't make it to p2 with everyone alive.

You should have no mana left after phase 1, phase 2 is all about regen. of course once you learn tricks, you'll have mana, but that's the whole goal of the fight.. burst mana in phase 1, regen in phase 2 and spend it all in phase 3.. if balconies are done wrong, you'll enter phase 3 without mana.

If that helps, check this out, you will see what happens. Not saying I did the best job but it worked. Sadly our kill was not my best attempt lol.

Now that I see this.. is that even 5 healable to meet the phase 1 enrage without lust?

[Buildapanda]

You should have no mana left after phase 1, phase 2 is all about regen. of course once you learn tricks, you'll have mana, but that's the whole goal of the fight.. burst mana in phase 1, regen in phase 2 and spend it all in phase 3.. if balconies are done wrong, you'll enter phase 3 without mana.

If that helps, check this out, you will see what happens. Not saying I did the best job but it worked. Sadly our kill was not my best attempt lol.

Now that I see this.. is that even 5 healable to meet the phase 1 enrage without lust?

Thank you so much for that video. I love you. and no, we are hitting 4th demo. with 2-3 people dying, if everyone alive we make it

[Sonrisa]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...aling&fight=78

We've wiped 60 times and I'm just scratching my head. I'm trying to heal as much as humanly possible, if you look at casts per second, I'm top. If you look at mana expended I'm top while all the other healers are hovering at 80% mana. I really need help for my other healers and myself. It's very stressful, we can't make it to p2 with everyone alive.

Looking at your 4 healer comp from the other day id try something like this for CDs.
Demo 1 Priest PI with prepot should pretty much "solo" heal this with some slight help, maybe ToL from druid and DPSer CDs like Nature's Vigil and Vampiric Embrace. You want 1 fox here for DPS at the start of movement. Use Revival after 3rd/4th Debris. Most everyone should be using a personal CD for this one, BoP Shaman.
Demo 2 Resto Shaman pops literally everything (including spiritwalkers) and goes to town with 1 Amplify Magic. Use PW: Barrier at destination to mitigate last 2 Debris. No fox.
Demo 3 Resto druid gets a BoP and Tranqs as 2nd Debris is about to hit. Use 1/2 Amplify Damage, Fox, and anything else you might have left. BoP Shaman again.

You have more CDs than needed to handle this phase tbh, you shouldn't be having issues with people dieing. A rule of thumb I tell my raid when someone dies: if you took more than ~90-100k from 1 Massive Demolition you did it wrong and it's your own fault you died. Also when someone is particularly low health at the end they should try to put a bit more distance between them and the last 2 debris (once the orange circles have already spawned obviously)

[Floopa]

it's hard to notice but is your shaman using both spirit links during p1 and moving them via the talent to redistribute health where necessary to save people?

is your priest life gripping the tank to neuter the damage he/she takes from the environment?

the first point is incredibly important, SLT can save so many people with it's redistribution of health during the massive demolition (not to mention the 10% less damage taken perk is nice), the second point is more QoL for tanking and dpsing (which overall helps)

[cqwrteur]

It seems Soothing Mist does lots of overhealing just as Enveloping Mist