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Originally posted here by Vyxn, but closed because Endus felt it was "too biased." As thus, I have set out to create an unbiased version of the topic.
What are your thoughts on Jonathan Gruber's statement?
More information: http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/20...american_voter
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2014-11-11, 02:10 AM #1The Lightbringer
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Obamacare architect claims Dems had to rely on the "stupidity of the American voter"
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2014-11-11, 02:18 AM #2Void Lord
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Isn't successful gazetting of any legislation reliant on the stupidity of the average voter?
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2014-11-11, 02:20 AM #3Brewmaster
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If this guy was smart, he wouldnt be publicly bragging about how he tricked stupid Americans. This guy is clearly a moron.
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2014-11-11, 02:22 AM #4Banned
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well yea,"explicitly saying; heathy people pay, sick people get money" wouldn't sit well with americans, they believed in death panels. so whats the issue here?
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2014-11-11, 02:24 AM #5The Lightbringer
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He probably has his teaching tenure and as thus, doesn't have to worry about losing his job. Originally Posted by Khoranth
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2014-11-11, 02:26 AM #6The Normal
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Teaching tenure doesn't protect you completely if you go from antagonizing students and other professors to more PR related problems. There's a lot of gray area between having and not having a job. Originally Posted by Nakura Chambers
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2014-11-11, 02:28 AM #7Brewmaster
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Yeah, but if he believes that these types of laws are good, and wants more "good laws" passed, then he has got to be a complete idiot to go around publicly bragging that he tricked stupid Americans into supporting this law. Originally Posted by Nakura Chambers
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2014-11-11, 02:31 AM #8The Lightbringer
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Very true. Surely there are other "good causes" that this man believes in? Any future bills that he writes up will be much harder to pass now that he has made this revelation. Originally Posted by Khoranth
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2014-11-11, 02:32 AM #9The Patient
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What's stupid is people seeing statements like this, twisting them around, and still trying to make it so we continue to have our terrible healthcare system. The US ranks very close to the bottom of developed nations in healthcare in terms of overall health of the population. The only thing our system has going for it is our research, which is also rapidly declining based on NIH funding.
What really needs to happen is total government takeover of the healthcare system, but this will never pass in this country due to the fearmongers who take their inspiration from the 1950's McCarthyism. In reality, healthcare does not work according to free market laws, so we shouldn't try to fit it into a free market.Last edited by tachycardias; 2014-11-11 at 02:35 AM.
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2014-11-11, 02:36 AM #10Brewmaster
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Not just bills he writes. This morons public bragging is going to make life harder for anyone from his political side. I would not be surprised if, behind the scenes, this guy was somehow insulted or "cast out" of the inner circle of President Obama, and this is his way to get revenge. Originally Posted by Nakura Chambers
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There are other threads to discuss the health care bill, don't try to change the topic. You can easily do a search and find the obamacare thread if you want to argue about that Originally Posted by tachycardias
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2014-11-11, 02:36 AM #11Banned
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I'll show that asshole! by making a completely valid point as to why I wrote the bill that way. Originally Posted by Khoranth
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2014-11-11, 02:38 AM #12Brewmaster
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Originally Posted by Sky High
Being valid does not make it a good idea to publicly brag about it.
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2014-11-11, 02:40 AM #13Banned
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what I watched was an explanation. he's trying to justify why he wrote it in that way. this talk of bragging sounds like some sort of projection to me. Originally Posted by Khoranth
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2014-11-11, 02:41 AM #14Scarab Lord
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OP's source is Rush Limbaugh. I think we can safely ignore this thread.
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2014-11-11, 02:42 AM #15Titan
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Uh it came right from the guys mouth, not orig sourced ot Limbaugh :P just an fyi Originally Posted by iceberg265
You're a towel.
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2014-11-11, 02:44 AM #16DeletedWhy? They all do it. Generally smart people know this and don't fall for it. Originally Posted by Khoranth
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2014-11-11, 02:46 AM #17Banned
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how biased of you to ignore what he [gruber] is actually saying. Originally Posted by TheOne01
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2014-11-11, 02:51 AM #18Banned
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oh, not invested in the actual discussion, just taking pot shots. I'll move on. Originally Posted by TheOne01
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2014-11-11, 03:05 AM #19Brewmaster
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People who write bills do not all go out and publicly brag that they wrote the bill to "trick stupid Americans into voting for it" This guy is either a moron, or something happened between him and the Obama regime, and he is doing this to spite them. Originally Posted by Hazori
There is no good reason to do what this guy is doing.
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2014-11-11, 04:47 AM #20Elemental Lord
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As I said in the other thread....
It is sad that our politicians have to lie to us to do what's best for us.Considering how many people think the ACA and Obamacare are two different things and "socialism is evil!!!" he has a point.
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