1. #3581
    Quote Originally Posted by Lazel View Post
    I doubt I have used holy prism once in this expansion and doubt I'll use it anytime soon, it's healing is crap and damage is subpar compared to es & LH.

    You'd use prism in mop on a lot of fights because it'd top everyone off , nowadays it is healing people for like 70k MAX , and that is with trinket procs and stuff.
    Used it on Kromog progress, cause we had like 6 melees and 4 healers, it helped during breaths. That's about it though.

  2. #3582
    Is the crafted gear gaining +5 ilvl? I saw that BRF gear and Apexis Crystal gear is going up 5 ilvls, but I saw nothing about crafted gear, yet I can't help but notice that Knight's Badge is listed as 685 in your charts, Theck.

  3. #3583
    I thought they said apexis gear and crafted gear?

  4. #3584
    They did. Worst part is the line about the crafted is BEFORE the apexis part so I have no idea how you could possibly miss it.

    At the same time, we will be increasing the item level of the new highest-tier crafted and Apexis vendor items by 5, in order to keep their power unchanged relative to the Foundry raid itemization.

  5. #3585
    Well, I'm derpy sometimes guys... I'll just show myself out now. *walks away in shame*

  6. #3586
    Quote Originally Posted by Laurcus View Post
    Well, I'm derpy sometimes guys... I'll just show myself out now. *walks away in shame*
    Don't worry, this thread can get saltier than an eel pie sometimes.

  7. #3587
    So... Vial / BFD for HA/Sera? I find it odd that Vial looks to be that much better than TTT.

    Edit: Also is this for all mythic trinkets or all 685 trinkets?

  8. #3588
    Quote Originally Posted by kirielle View Post
    So... Vial / BFD for HA/Sera? I find it odd that Vial looks to be that much better than TTT.

    Edit: Also is this for all mythic trinkets or all 685 trinkets?
    Hmm I'm confused about that trinket list as well. Some of those trinkets aren't even for Prot. Like Ironspike chewtoy that gives Int and Spirit?

  9. #3589
    Quote Originally Posted by Theck View Post
    Trinket re-sim, with +5 ilvl to all BRF items and to the 4/4 Knight's Badge. Also including an ilvl 685 Stone of Fire.

    Trinkets with DP_HS

    Trinkets with HA_Sera

    Trinkets with DP_EmpS
    Btw can you make the same chart we talked about earlier with the HA/Sera sync ?

    Also as pointed out by our local paragon fanboy, fragi went dps instead of prot paladin. I know he stops by here every once in a while, and some of you might know him so what's his reasoning behind that ?

    I know that at the end of SoO i personally main switched from tank to dps, simply because (in my opinion) DPS had a much larger potential to "carry" raid teams with the neutering of tank mechanics and removal of vengeance, which resulted in exceptional dps becoming a lot more valuable than exceptional tanks (at least in my opinion) esp on early progression where DPS checks exist.

    Was interested if we could get to comment on it, or if other people considered something similar.

  10. #3590
    Quote Originally Posted by Kanadei View Post
    Don't worry, this thread can get saltier than an eel pie sometimes.
    Have you ever had an eel pie to know if its salty? I want to try it now.

    Also I'm sure someone out there might be confused about the TMI ratings on the trinket chart. Always remember TMI is heavily influenced by stam so they're technically only top if you need the stam to live. This is a general disclaimer that some people miss from time to time. So keep that in mind!
    Quote Originally Posted by Blznsmri View Post
    Quit shoving your opinion down other peoples throats.

    You're worse than Street Corner Baptists...

  11. #3591
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    Quote Originally Posted by celinamuna View Post
    Btw can you make the same chart we talked about earlier with the HA/Sera sync ?

    Also as pointed out by our local paragon fanboy, fragi went dps instead of prot paladin. I know he stops by here every once in a while, and some of you might know him so what's his reasoning behind that ?

    I know that at the end of SoO i personally main switched from tank to dps, simply because (in my opinion) DPS had a much larger potential to "carry" raid teams with the neutering of tank mechanics and removal of vengeance, which resulted in exceptional dps becoming a lot more valuable than exceptional tanks (at least in my opinion) esp on early progression where DPS checks exist.

    Was interested if we could get to comment on it, or if other people considered something similar.
    I think it had to do with them wanting to run double Monk tank but needing an extra hunter, Ilonii being a more than competent Brewmaster, and Frag having played hunter in the past. I can't say I'm 100% sure, though, but that's the reasoning as I understood it.

    What surprises me more than anything, honestly, is that Ilonii and not Kaneli ended up playing BrM with Sejta - Kaneli tanked for Depraved for its entire existence AFAIK and was excellent, in my opinion - but perhaps they feel his skills at WW would be wasted playing BrM.

  12. #3592
    I'm looking over my guilds Askmrrobot logs from last nights raid, and while I know it's not really the perfect site to analyze individual performances in terms of their own rotations and mitigation etc, but still I gotta ask for anyone using the site, what constitutes "Tank healing"? Is it our own self heals like SS and WoG heals, or is it how much healing the tank is taking in from healers around him?

  13. #3593
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    Perhaps a dumb question, but the top ranking DPS trinkets for HA/Sera are all reliant on on-use mechanics. That means you can't use them both at the same time, correct? will Vial + TTT still be the 2 best trinkets for DPS then? And which one to sync with HA.

    Maybe Im missing something

  14. #3594
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    Quote Originally Posted by Feliclandelo View Post
    Perhaps a dumb question, but the top ranking DPS trinkets for HA/Sera are all reliant on on-use mechanics. That means you can't use them both at the same time, correct? will Vial + TTT still be the 2 best trinkets for DPS then? And which one to sync with HA.

    Maybe Im missing something
    Well, AFAIK they only put each other on a 10-second ICD so technically you could have a second on-use trinket up with HA for roughly 8 seconds. Double on-use still seems a thoroughly mediocre idea unless you need it as a pseudo-CD or something, though.

  15. #3595
    Quote Originally Posted by PraisetheSun View Post
    Well, AFAIK they only put each other on a 10-second ICD so technically you could have a second on-use trinket up with HA for roughly 8 seconds. Double on-use still seems a thoroughly mediocre idea unless you need it as a pseudo-CD or something, though.
    Its a cooldown based on how long their buff lasts. It will put the other on a 20sec CD.

  16. #3596
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jellospally View Post
    Its a cooldown based on how long their buff lasts. It will put the other on a 20sec CD.
    So basically Vial + Forgemaster would be best?

    @Theck you have any considerations regarding the best combination for dmg?

  17. #3597
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    Quote Originally Posted by Feliclandelo View Post
    So basically Vial + Forgemaster would be best?

    @Theck you have any considerations regarding the best combination for dmg?
    For DPS, VoCS and BFD would likely be best - with HA, anyway. HoSS and BFD would probably be better with any DP or SW spec.
    Last edited by mmoc312bb4353b; 2015-03-17 at 11:12 AM.

  18. #3598
    Hey Theck, I'm assuming your chart is using mythic trinkets, right? If it's not too much trouble, could you do a comparison between heroic BRF trinkets and mythic Highmaul trinkets?

    I think there's a fair bit of people that only raid normal/heroic but had plenty of time to get lucky with their Highmaul caches and thus have mythic Highmaul trinkets but none from mythic BRF.

    Also, WTF is Petrified Flesheating Spore? I looked it up on wowhead, and it has the ilvl of Highmaul gear, but I can't find it in the dungeon journal and there's very few comments on its wowhead page, one of which says that it doesn't exist.
    Last edited by OrcsRLame; 2015-03-17 at 01:25 PM.

  19. #3599
    Quote Originally Posted by kirielle View Post
    So... Vial / BFD for HA/Sera? I find it odd that Vial looks to be that much better than TTT.

    Edit: Also is this for all mythic trinkets or all 685 trinkets?
    Aaaand I just noticed that somehow Vial is worse for TMI than TTT if you run DP/HS. This is really not making sense to me, since TTT's on use should be much better sync'd with HA than Vial.

  20. #3600
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    Quote Originally Posted by Candlemaster View Post
    Always remember TMI is heavily influenced by stam so they're technically only top if you need the stam to live. This is a general disclaimer that some people miss from time to time. So keep that in mind!
    Stamina will always be better for TMI than any other stat until the damage incoming is so low such that the extra stamina doesn't really proportionally affect the spikes. The Stamina trinkets will always be best for survivability provided your healers can heal the damage. They just won't be useful for DTPS

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    Quote Originally Posted by kirielle View Post
    Aaaand I just noticed that somehow Vial is worse for TMI than TTT if you run DP/HS. This is really not making sense to me, since TTT's on use should be much better sync'd with HA than Vial.
    Well the majority of the TMI will come from the time when you don't have the procs up. Simply because it looks at spikes across the whole fight, the strength should be 'better' in some cases for general survivability and provided you don't overheal the Strength is far better than Mastery as a defensive stat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feliclandelo View Post
    Perhaps a dumb question, but the top ranking DPS trinkets for HA/Sera are all reliant on on-use mechanics. That means you can't use them both at the same time, correct? will Vial + TTT still be the 2 best trinkets for DPS then? And which one to sync with HA.

    Maybe Im missing something
    They're all simmed separately, so when looking at the list, for any HA combo I would assume that you want 1 on-use and 1 proc trinket for max dps. I wouldn't know for TMI, but I have a feeling you simply wouldn't take double on-use because it would generally be more clunky.

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