Tank dps breakdowns for Mythic Oregorger!

[deadmanfred]

The following are breakdowns of the top three mythic parsing tanks on Oregorger by class. I feel this information is highly valuable for anyone wanting to look into the specifics of what the players are doing to parse so high, as well as possibly give you insight into playing your own class. Keep in mind most of these players where trying for damage not survivability. On my blog also I have Weekly Allstars and current overall dps by tanks, along with fancy pictures and links! For more check out my blog VengeanceTanking, which I can't currently link. I'll also be here for comments or criticisms.

Deathknight

• All three take Blood Tap and Breath of Sindragosa and Glyph of Icy Runes.
• Breath uptimes: Jellosdk 88.03%, Krachaz 93.42%, and Gullo at 79.76%.
• All three use a BA pot on pull. Gullo seemed to use his 2nd pot earlier but lined it up with pretty much everything but his Forgemaster’s trinket proc. Krachz uses his 2nd pot with his 3rd Dancing Rune Weapon. Jellosdk seems to have made sure his 2nd pot was up for most of his cooldowns/procs even though they don’t happen at relatively the same time, excellent timing on his part. He also managed to save Empower Rune weapon for his 2nd pot as well, I’ve highlighted this section. You can see just before his multistrike trinket falls off he pops his pot and the BA buff remains through Empower Rune Weapon, dancing rune weapon and his ring proc.
• All three were using Rune of the Fallen Crusader as their weapon enchant.
• Trinkets: All three used the Vial of Convulsing Shadows. Jellosdk used a Blast Furnace Door, Krachaz used a Evergaze Arcane Eidolon, and Gullo used a Forgemaster’s Insignia.

Druid

• Earendel and Upshift are using Soul of the Forest but Consistent is using Incarnation: Son of Ursoc. All three used Heart of the Wild, and all three Bristling Fur.
• Earendal used an Agility potion on pull along with Heart of the Wild, Upshift used a BA pot along with HotW. On this fight I was interested in how they got away with cat form dps and after looking further into the logs I found that they are not tanking until just before the third acid torrent. So what’s going on is that on pull the other tank is grabbing aggro first but the druids will soak the first torrent. Next instead of taunting the tanks simply switch position and the other tank continues to get stacks of Acid Maw and will soak the second torrent. Consistent seems to have taunted immediately after and then uses his Incarnation. Earendel seems to let his other tank hold the boss for around 15 seconds more, which let him take better advantage of HotW.
• Upshift used two Bonus Armor potions. Earendel and Consistent used an agility potion with HotW. Earndel used his second Bonus Armor potion when he had berserk up, Upshift didn’t seem to line his BA pot up with anything and Consistent seems to have not used a 2nd pot.
• All three are using the Mark of Bleeding hollow as their weapon Enchant.
• Trinkets: All three are using the Blast Furnace Door and the Tablet of Turnbuckle Teamwork

Monk

• All three took Chi Explosion, Invoke Xuen the White Tiger, and Power Strikes. used Chi wave, while Boostburn and Dollgirl used Zensphere. If your a Brewmaster monk you may already know about this, but you can Touch of Death one of the Ore crates to help force Oregorger to go a specific direction, if you use max health buffs obviously you could kill it faster. All three use their Touch of Death on a box for ~50k and use Touch of Death again on the boss when it’s is at less then 10%.
• Alestørm and Dollgirl use their Bonus Armor Pot on pull and again later on in the fight. Boostburn uses his 1st and only pot along with his on-use trinket ~20%.
• All three use the Mark of the Thunderlord weapon Enchant
• Trinkets: All three use the Blast Furnace Door, and the Tablet of Turnbuckle Teamwork.

Paladin

• Lázel and Treckie used Seraphim, with 43% and 35.35% uptimes. Malaa was using Empowered Seals. All three took Holy Avenger and Execution Sentence.
• Lázel again has procs that just seem a bit too perfect, everything just seems to line up.
  Only Lázel seemed to use his 2nd pot.
• Lázel was using the Mark of Warsong weapon Enchant, while Malaa and Treckie used the Mark of Blackrock enchant.
• Trinkets: All three use the Blast Furnace Door, and the Tablet of Turnbuckle Teamwork.

Warrior

• Dean and Ластенд used Sudden Death, while Delekan used Heavy Repercussions. All three took Bloodbath, Dragons Roar and Ravager. Dean and Delekan also used the Glyph of Rude Interruption.
• Dean and Delekan’s groups used lust on pull while Ластенд’s group used it ~20%. Delekan was using what is considered a lower dps build however he must have been a high priority on interrupts as his Ruder Interruption buff was up for 55.88% with 8 interrupts, Dean’s was up for only 36.29% with 6 interrupts.
• All three us a BA pot on pull. Delekan and Dean use their 2nd BA pot along with their cooldwons and when their in-use trinket was up. Ластенд seems to have not used their 2nd Pot.
• Dean used the Nark of Bleeding Hollow Enchant, while Delekan and Ластенд used the Mark of the Thunderlord enchant.
• Trinkets: All three used the Blast Furnace Door, and the Tablet of Turnbuckle Teamwork.
• Ластенд is Kazack and translates to English as “Lastend”
• Had a chat with Reloe, this weeks #2 Allstar warrior, about any tips for Oregorger he may have: “Regarding Oregorger I believe gladiator’s resolve is the best talent for progression, but if you have enough external cooldowns you can go with anger management/ravager. I always try to have at least ~40% damage reduction for each acid torrent. If you have Anger management you can use demo-shout twice for the torrents, else you could only use it once, so thats a positive thing”

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What did I just read and why.



Why?



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[Yesil]

What did I just read and why.



Why?

Statistics on tanks doing the top DPS to see if there is a correlation between what each do. Don't see why you're so confused.

On topic: Interesting and gives a nice view (maybe not so in-depth but still good) of what top DPS tanks are running. Would have been nice if you mentioned the DPS difference when a second pot was not used.

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Hmm HoTW on orcgorger for bears.

I wonder, will your mitigation be affected much if you cast barkskin+bristling fur whilst in cat form? Wouldn't think so, might pick it up as a DPS boost.

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Statistics on tanks doing the top DPS to see if there is a correlation between what each do. Don't see why you're so confused.

On topic: Interesting and gives a nice view (maybe not so in-depth but still good) of what top DPS tanks are running. Would have been nice if you mentioned the DPS difference when a second pot was not used.

It's just such a random thing to post & such a random boss to choose.

[Yesil]

It's just such a random thing to post & such a random boss to choose.

Random thing to post? It's relevant to Raids & Dungeons.

Random boss? Haha, yeah I agree with that. A more Patchwerk-like fight (Gruul comes to mind) might have been a better representation of pure DPS statistics.

[Deja Thoris]

Can't wait for your next analysis: "Top healing done by dps specs on Kromog"

[deadmanfred]

Statistics on tanks doing the top DPS to see if there is a correlation between what each do. Don't see why you're so confused.

On topic: Interesting and gives a nice view (maybe not so in-depth but still good) of what top DPS tanks are running. Would have been nice if you mentioned the DPS difference when a second pot was not used.

Ive got a lot more information on the actual blog itself.

It's just such a random thing to post & such a random boss to choose.

Seeing as how this is the 2nd week Ive done this, Gruul was last week, I think Ore seemed logical. Ill be doing Darmac next time!

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Can't wait for your next analysis: "Top healing done by dps specs on Kromog"

Interesting enough it's Shadow Priests and Feral Druids

[Deja Thoris]

Good to know you think MW monks and Holy priests are dps specs.

[Yesil]

Ive got a lot more information on the actual blog itself.

I'd really like a link to that blog!

[deadmanfred]

I'd really like a link to that blog!

As I said in the post I cannot link it at this time. However the name is VengeanceTanking. Its on a Wordpress domain.

[theyanger]

I mean, it's an interesting line of thinking. but Oregorger is an exceptionally poor boss to consider for this sort of thing.

[Yesil]

Any thoughts of making anything relevant to the tank survivability for every tank?

[deadmanfred]

I mean, it's an interesting line of thinking. but Oregorger is an exceptionally poor boss to consider for this sort of thing.

This is a series focusing on all of the bosses, last week was Gruul, next is Darmac. Unfortunately I still can't post links yet so I can understand how it appears a bit random.

Any thoughts of making anything relevant to the tank survivability for every tank?

Yes actually I already have! Unfortunately any sort of tank survivability metric, TMI, KRSI, etc is not really reliable as it has to do with a whole raid not just a single player. If you check out my blog, Vengeancetanking, you'll see a few weeks ago I covered KRSI rankings and I explain the problems with regards to ranking tanks based on this. I could personally rank 2 of the same players but I would have to manually go in and look at all of mitigation and pull out externals etc and redo the math for what damage they would have taken. From my blog: "A high score can also be achieved by a bad player receiving all of his raids externals and them taking less damage then a good player with similar gear. A good tank who has a small % of uptime tanking the boss will have a lower score even if they some how mitigated 100% of the damage. If you went in and found logs of tanks who taunted at the same time, wore the exact same gear, and had the same exact raid composition then you could rank them based on KRSI scores with no issues."

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I like it Maybe a Idea to put all the diffrent bosses in one post. That you just keep editing the first post? Then people who like these kind of things can look at it easier for all bosses.

Nice work tho ^^

[Saybel]

Dunno why people are criticizing the post - if the statistic isn't relevant to you then you can just ignore it. He's done this before, so good work to him for collecting the data, once he has a comprehensive layout for all 10 bosses it may be helpful for some tanks.

[Jellospally]

"Opens random thread" Sees I was in it.. I lol'd. Things I find when im up at 730am and I haven't slept. Could be interesting for people who want to know how to max dps to some point without knowing how to go indepth in logs and don't want to go find X person.

Please wait on Darmac till I get my R1 back . All these nig padders(not really padders more like their raid is literal shit so they get to aoe like a mother fucker)

[deadmanfred]

I like it Maybe a Idea to put all the diffrent bosses in one post. That you just keep editing the first post? Then people who like these kind of things can look at it easier for all bosses.

Nice work tho ^^

Honestly I don't post to forums very often, but seeing how the system works now I'd say that's a very good idea. I'll make a new post soon with my Gruul info added in.

"Opens random thread" Sees I was in it.. I lol'd. Things I find when im up at 730am and I haven't slept. Could be interesting for people who want to know how to max dps to some point without knowing how to go indepth in logs and don't want to go find X person.

Exactly, when I first started raiding in WoW I used the combat logs to pretty much tell me how to play instead of guides and the results were so much better, but you gotta know what your looking at. I'm also trying to publicize the high ranking players, linking their twitch streams etc. I'm also trying to interview the players for tips/tricks, specifically I've had a ton of comments on reddit asking for a breakdown or explanation of using Breath of Sindragosa. If your at all interested shoot me a pm, I can link your your twitch stream or guild recruitment whatever you might want to publicize. So far I talked to the #2 warrior Allstar and I'd like to add a few quotes from a different player every week. I could do Hanz and Franz this week, but the fact that you have insider info and might tell your guild to back off on aoe might give you an advantage lol. There is a tank warrior on heroic Darmac with a 154k parse literally only him and one other dps attacked the adds.

[Jellospally]

Holy shit... tbh those padders annoy me. Like I don't get my ranks due to that bs. If multiple people do it and I have no chance of beating it... IE: 100k + parses on like beastlord. I would do it most likely, but I won't be the first to be the massive padder.

Also, I don't care about publicize myself I don't really stream. If people want to come to me while im online ill talk to them otherwise I keep to myself / the forums. Though I can like give a description of how I generally play BoS on all the fights or w/e ill pm you and see what you want.

Also you should redo gruul

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I've looked at hans and franz, and by the looks of it, it seems to be highly affected by which one you start tanking, the first pick up really affects your DPS and it also picks you up a second time, while the other one only picks you up once during a time which doesn't really matter.

I.e, its not as reflective as other kills.