View Poll Results: Is it morally right to build a mentally handicapped AI?

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    AI, artificial intelligence, is it okay to create a mentally handicapped AI?

    So it's a hundred years in the future and you have a robot manufacturing business where you make robots for all kinds of uses. You want to build a robot that will sweep floors all day long, mop and buff them after closing hours. Thing is, it's terribly boring work.

    You know if you use a complete AI software package the robot will get bored and do a lousy job, but if you purposefully mentally handicap the AI, it will blissfully sweep the floors all day long. When it comes to sweeping floors, intelligence is a bad thing.

    Is it morally right to build a mentally handicapped AI?
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    I'm presuming this AI is similar to us (including all the faults & quirks we have), for all intents and purposes it is then a life that should be treated with as much respect as any human. So to answer your question, no.

    But what if we could build an AI who does not feel? That's a more difficult question.
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    Depends, I think, on whether or not the AI can experience emotions. If, as you said, it would be "blissfully" sweeping floors, I'd say go for it - the robot would be happy. I'd assume that to achieve this, the AI would have to be programmed in such a way as to not experience any emotional response to judgement from others, because if it were designed to be happy with its' job of sweeping floors, the only thing that I can see as being capable of interfering with its' happiness is being introduced to the idea that sweeping floors is a shitty job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hubcap View Post
    So it's a hundred years in the future and you have a robot manufacturing business where you make robots for all kinds of uses. You want to build a robot that will sweep floors all day long, mop and buff them after closing hours. Thing is, it's terribly boring work.

    You know if you use a complete AI software package the robot will get bored and do a lousy job, but if you purposefully mentally handicap the AI, it will blissfully sweep the floors all day long. When it comes to sweeping floors, intelligence is a bad thing.

    Is it morally right to build a mentally handicapped AI?
    they already made this, its called a roomba.

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    How exactly does a robot experience boredom?

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    Is that really a good idea? What happens when it goes full raptard mode because someone accidentally walked in with mud on their boots? I mean, I've seen mentally handicapped people go full retard because their strawberry ice cream didn't taste as they had envisioned. Mental stability isn't exactly a trademark for the mentally handicapped.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hubcap View Post
    So it's a hundred years in the future and you have a robot manufacturing business where you make robots for all kinds of uses. You want to build a robot that will sweep floors all day long, mop and buff them after closing hours. Thing is, it's terribly boring work.
    You know if you use a complete AI software package the robot will get bored and do a lousy job, but if you purposefully mentally handicap the AI, it will blissfully sweep the floors all day long. When it comes to sweeping floors, intelligence is a bad thing.

    Is it morally right to build a mentally handicapped AI?
    Restricting an already programmed AI isnt really handicapping it, its just restricting it.
    The difference would be if it was a sentient AI, and you purposefully damaged it for the tasks, not restricted its programming. Then there'd be a morale issue with it being sentient, and not just a very sofisticted piece of AI.

    Also if you get a AI that will do a horrible job if bored, who'd pay for that? People in the future suck at advertisement if thats the case.
    "Buy our helper-droid! it can do any chore!... Except the boring ones that you probebly wanted to buy a droid so you wouldnt have to do in the first place."

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    It's AI, We can make them Slaves, we can make them handicapped, we can do whatever we like to them. We hold no morality towards artificial things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wes Doobner View Post
    How exactly does a robot experience boredom?
    It wouldn't, unless we program it into it.

    I don't see the problem. You'd be creating a computer program suited to your need.

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    So once we achieve the ability to create real AI's, we should stop making Roombas? If it was a matter of morality, then arguably we shouldn't be making them now either.

    Making a non-sentient object is not the same as making a sentient being stupid. I'm okay with continuing to make drones after AI has been achieved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buljo View Post
    Is that really a good idea? What happens when it goes full raptard mode because someone accidentally walked in with mud on their boots? I mean, I've seen mentally handicapped people go full retard because their strawberry ice cream didn't taste as they had envisioned. Mental stability isn't exactly a trademark for the mentally handicapped.
    Wow, the ignorance/hate is strong in this one.

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    You wouldn't have to make an AI to sweep floors, all it needs is a set subroutine, so it'd be more of a VI.

    Also, we already have that shit in Roombas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Jack Flash View Post
    It's AI, We can make them Slaves, we can make them handicapped, we can do whatever we like to them. We hold no morality towards artificial things.

    Do you get sad when you kill minions in games?
    Artificial insemination, would that by the same view make those kids to be viewed upon without morality in thier treatment?

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    Robot is a robot.

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    If you have AI you're still going to program things like roomba's and such that don't have AI. AI don't want to sit around and sweep your floors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wes Doobner View Post
    Wow, the ignorance/hate is strong in this one.
    How is it ignorant or hateful? Are we going to pretend that unfounded violent outbursts in handicapped people doesn't exist? It's pretty common actually, to the point where there's a whole career based around calming down/subduing the mentally handicapped when they rage.

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    Are we interested in building a cat or dog like consciousness? I would say creating an artificial animal with the same level of consciousness as an animal is not moral nor immoral.
    However, for AI that is intelligent enough to desire upgrades, restricting an AI's access to upgrading it's intelligence is immoral just as it would be to a human.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dezerte View Post
    I'm presuming this AI is similar to us (including all the faults & quirks we have), for all intents and purposes it is then a life that should be treated with as much respect as any human. So to answer your question, no.

    But what if we could build an AI who does not feel? That's a more difficult question.
    This I will agree with for human-level AI. If it's capable of desiring to become smarter, it should be allowed to since us humans will too be upgrading ourselves.

    to answer your question: It's immoral to design an AI with similar desires and emotions as us WHILE deliberately handicapping it.
    If we are talking about creating a cat or dog level AI for the purpose of an animal companion(s) that does not poop or grow old, well than that's not an immoral design. You are not really causing suffering or a net loss in life by creating an AI that looks like an animal, thinks like an animal minus all the negatives that exist in the animal you are interested in simulating.

    If you are creating a human AI with same desires and emotions, you could be creating quite a bit of suffering handicapping it by creating a retarded human AI.

    I voted Yes because there are some circumstances where it's not immoral to do so, such as designing an AI that does not want or care for human rights like a simulated bat, cat, or dog.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buljo View Post
    How is it ignorant or hateful? Are we going to pretend that unfounded violent outbursts in handicapped people doesn't exist? It's pretty common actually, to the point where there's a whole career based around calming down/subduing the mentally handicapped when they rage.
    There's a career in calming the tits on "normal" people too. Sure they have outrages, but so does people with full mental capicity aswell, the issue is what is causing it since very different things can trigger it.

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    It isn't human, so I don't see why not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Addict View Post
    There's a career in calming the tits on "normal" people too. Sure they have outrages, but so does people with full mental capicity aswell, the issue is what is causing it since very different things can trigger it.
    I've seen someone that was... developmentally behind, he needs help to get dressed etc. He got into a fight with someone in the store where I lived before because of him going around grabbing people like he wants to, most people don't care about it but one guy told him to take his hands off him and the behind guy flips and punches him, resulting in the developmentally behind guy being given a beating. The assistants were blaming the guy who beat him down. Was lolworthy to watch.

    I've never seen someone throw a punch at someone for being told to take their hands off them, except that guy.

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