14 EU guilds Versus 1 US guild

[Deja Thoris]

This doesnt show that u guys work harder... it shows that u guys need to stand up for your rights ffs.

They work longer, theres no denying that though. It does affect the quantity of hours available to do other things.

[TheFuse]

NA is just garbage when it comes to E-Sports or any online competition, it's not limited to just Warcraft raiding. Look at any competitive online game(SC2, LoL, DoTA2, etc), Koreans and Europeans dominate while NA is just there to keep the bench warm.

[MonsieuRoberts]

The power of the metric system is amazing.

[exarkunofpr]

NA is just garbage when it comes to E-Sports or any online competition, it's not limited to just Warcraft raiding. Look at any competitive online game(SC2, LoL, DoTA2, etc), Koreans and Europeans dominate while NA is just there to keep the bench warm.

NA has the better dota 2 team atm.

[Stonepony]

Although I love playing video games and wish I had more time to play in a competitive raiding guild I just don't have the time anymore. During Vanilla I was attending college but still raiding what I thought was an enormous amount of hours per week (14-16). I eventually quit raiding to focus on my studies. If I didn't make that decision 10 years ago I would probably be raiding in a top U.S. guild right now, but either working a dead end job or unemployed & uneducated freeloading off my family.

I can not comment on the work environment in the EU or the standards they set, but in the U.S. if you have a "career" job and your priorities straight it is almost impossible to raid on a competitive level. Any of the players you see raiding in the U.S. for 5+ hours per day are either students, in the service, disabled, retired, housewives, very fortunate, working dead end jobs, or just downright uneducated lazy trash living off the system.

Regarding vacation time. Depending on the length of service you have with your company. The avg. person working in the U.S. receives 5-10 days per year for vacation. This is not including holidays or sick days. Normally, the longer you work for a specific company the more vacation time you're allocated.

Personally, as an engineer I work roughly 70 hours/week which leaves little time for anything else especially playing video games. In fact, I've spent more time typing this reply than I have spent playing WoW in the past month. Perhaps if I was working in some cheese shop in Finland I would be able to raid in a top EU guild as well.

...and lastly. Nobody and I mean Nobody here in the U.S. considers OC part of the U.S.

[Puupi]

The power of the metric system is amazing.

Yes, even in a game where distances are measured in yards.

[Deleted]

This. Outside the US, where the governments condone laziness (Socialism), it's probably common to take a month or more off a year for video games. In the US, 2 weeks is probably the norm. If that.

Edit: I have realized this thread is going to turn in to a USA vs the world thread...and it won't end well. truth hurts for some.

I'm from Poland and during last 5 years I took 3 weeks TOTAL of free time. But sure muricans are the only ones working hard. Sure sure.

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They work longer, theres no denying that though. It does affect the quantity of hours available to do other things.

For me 49h weekly is norm

[Floopa]

USA are too busy winning competitions that matter rofl

#bleedblue #EUisdead

[lolbubble]

USA are too busy winning competitions that matter rofl

#bleedblue #EUisdead

ok i lol'd

[Floopa]

ok i lol'd

i wanted cdec to win tbh, aggressif, Q and shiki are so legit it's crazy

[Floopa]

Jesus..no need to bring unemployment or holidays into this shit.

Some nations are just better at shit than others. Europeans and South Americans excel at soccer. China is great in Ping Pong. US rules baseball and basketball....stuff like that. Canada = ice hockey....

and americans rule dota 2 which is the only gaming thing that matters right now. let's be honest.

[Deleted]

this thread is hilarious.
Defining how hard a nation works by the amount of progress they have on World of Warcraft.

[Alvito]

Sure, if u want to include Oceanic with US thats cool with me... my point still stands tho... how massivley far away US is to EU.

And yet Blizzard listen to the US almost exclusively for their feedback... now thats just dumb right.

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Total fukkcing garbage.

The UK famously has the lowest amount of holiday in Europe at about 24-30 days. And i know u will find much the same in USA.

Its a total myth that Americans work harder than the rest oif the world... Its more accurate to say u guys are the most brainwashed, thats more true than your stupid statement.

I'd hand over my first born to have 30 vacation days I could actually use in a year. Sadly that is the worst, good lord. Working more frequently doesn't mean the hardest, just means more frequently. Almost all jobs here that give 30+ days of vacation a year are structured so you can't use them easily or end up so bogged down with work before you leave and after you return nobody uses days off.

[caervek]

Sorry for sounding dim, but what is OC? is that like US military bases or something?

[Floopa]

Sorry for sounding dim, but what is OC? is that like US military bases or something?

oceanic lol

[silloh]

If you count france/russia/others as EU (as you should) you also should include OC into US aka 2 Guilds. Also basicly same as last tier.

Why wouldnt you include France in the EU? What countries do you think are intengrated in the EU?

[caervek]

oceanic lol

Oh it's like a weird word for Australia/Australasia, I see.

IMO then they shouldn't be considered "US servers" for progression as it's a completely different continent.

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Why wouldnt you include France in the EU? What countries do you think are intengrated in the EU?

"EU" in wow terms is used to refer to Europe not the European Union, the same as US is used to refer to both North and South America.

[KaPe]

"EU" in wow terms is used to refer to Europe not the European Union, the same as US is used to refer to both North and South America.

Still doesn't change his point. France is rather obviously part of Europe, and a pretty big one at that. Russia might be mostly in Asia, but still has a small part of it in Europe. There's nothing strange about "including" both of those as European countries. Magically moving Australia to US on the other hand...

[Jyggalag]

This "EU gets more paid vacation" thing really doesn't hold when you look at the likes of Pwnanza (world 5th) who clearly state -

"What can you expect from us?
★ Schedule - As a rule, we always avoid daytime raiding. During progress you can expect the raiding schedule and hours to go from 18h to 1h, 7 days with dinner breaks + additional smaller breaks when necessary. During farm, our raiding time will go down drastically, and you can expect us to raid between 19h30 and 00h30 with weekends usually off. We DO NOT raid outside of these hours."

[Incarnia]

I'm quite amused by what some people here are speculating about people got no idea how Hardcore progress raiding works, and how you DON'T have to be unemployed or take out 4+ weeks of vacation to be in the top.
It's about efficiency. About not fucking around acting stupid wasting everyone's time due to it. About being a fast learner, manage to adapt quick. Coming prepared. Know your class and spec. Know how to plan your schedule. Having a good RL and a solid Officer team, and raiders that do know the importance of teamwork.

Sure, around the release of a new tier it's nice if you can take a week or a few days off. But it have never been mandatory in the guild I'm in. Sure you do tie up your evenings to raiding (not everyday tho), but you do it freely and you do it because you enjoy it. When you don't anymore? Or when something in your life hinders you from it? You step down and play the game differently.
I won't name people specifically but we do got a lot of successful people that passed through under the guilds wings during the years, people with high education, people which grown successful in their work of field. We even got one of the original officers and founders of the guild working at CERN today. - and no, he's not a janitor.

- EU 19 / World 34 Algalon
- EU 10 / World 19 Yogg + 0
- EU 14 / World 25 A Tribute to Insanity
- EU 13 / World 28 Lich King Heroic
- EU 18 / World 29 Cho'gall Heroic
- EU 17 / World 27 Sinestra
- World First Glory of the Cataclysm Raider
- EU 13 / World 23 Ragnaros Heroic
- EU 9 / World 18 Madness of Deathwing Heroic
- EU 13 / World 20 Will of the Emperor Heroic
- EU 11 / World 17 Grand Empress Shek'zeer Heroic
- EU 9 / World 14 Sha of Fear Heroic
- EU 8 / World 11 Lei Shen Heroic
- EU 8 / World 12 Ra-den
- EU 14 / World 18 Garrosh Hellscream Heroic

We've dwindled on the progress list since, due to a couple reasons but I also think due to the nature of the game itself. Sometimes guilds do well, sometimes they don't. The guild which this list belongs to is <Immersion> on Frostmane EU. I've been a part of it since its creation.