Norway: Children taken from parents on grounds of "radical christianism"

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http://www.reteauadestiri.ro/familia...ta-pe-parinti/

Their nightmare started last week, when the children were taken from the family following a denunciation of a professor. The reason is a religious one, but misunderstood, transmit loved parents. The teacher complained that both parents and grandparents are Christians, indoctrinate their children and are radicals. The denunciation made ​​by the teacher would be based on the least controversial moment. One of the two daughters of the spouses Bodnariu sang a song Christian school, which was interpreted by a teacher.

Before moving to Norway, Marius Bodnariu was a member of Philadelphia Pentecostal Church in Bucharest, writes Adevarul. Relatives complain that the Norwegian authorities commit an abuse and, under the guise of child protection act to a complaint that has no foundation.

The Bodnariu family is highly debated on the Internet, and a petition was initiated by the Norwegian State is required to return the family's children. A pastor urges even the street demonstrations and demands a firm reaction of the Romanian ambassador in Norway.

Now I'm no expert on Norwegian laws, but I honestly find this case to be a bit ridiculous. First of all, Romanians are very religious, it's embedded in their culture. As far as I'm aware, this family isn't planning any terrorist attacks or is a threat to National Security. The most you can accuse them of, is being hardcore christian conservatives, and if that's the case, then half the southern US states shouldn't have children.

Meanwhile, governments across Europe bend over backwards to accommodate muslims and their religious beliefs into society, even in schools.
Is there anyone from Norway that can shed some light on this case? I can't seem to find much info on it around the internet.

[TirielWoW]

Weren't Norwegian authorities taking children from immigrant parents for random reasons not long ago?

[arandomuser]

This OP is dumb, norway elected a far right anti immigrant leader recently who has been deporting people. why dont you look it up, in europe people on the far right tend to be atheist rather than christians like in the US. Try looking things up mkay?

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And if you dislike muslims to the point of being like anders breivik wanting to attack them , why dont you go to raqqa and attack the right ones instead of ones that arent terrorist unless you arent ballsy enough.

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[Masark]

This OP is dumb, norway elected a far right anti immigrant leader recently who has been deporting people. why dont you look it up, in europe people on the far right tend to be atheist rather than christians like in the US. Try looking things up mkay?

That's probably their objection. "Atheist hordes stealing the children of good upstanding Christians".

[Lafarce]

Yeaaaah, no one gets their children taken away from them for simply singing a song. This seems like bs to me.


/Norwegian

[Karlz0rz]

I'd say that if the kids got removed from the parents, then they were obviously doing something that warranted it. We have VERY strict child laws and rights in Norway, and if they resort to taking the children away, it's usually for a damn good reason. I can't read the article though, seeing as it's in another language!

[Queen of Hamsters]

Find it really difficult to believe that they'd take the kids for the parents beliefs. They must have had a pretty damned good reason.

[arandomuser]

That's probably their objection. "Atheist hordes stealing the children of good upstanding Christians".

It probably had alot more to do with them being roma than their religion

[Krille]

About time some country stood up to christianity. Ban that shit along with all religion.

[Nefarious Tea]

Christianity, especially the "behave or you will burn in Hell forever" bit is technically psychological abuse.

Was taking their children warranted? Well, that's harder to argue.

[MdAlmighty]

Like others have said, if this is true it has to be another reason. Religion is not the reason in this case.

Tbh, I think this is fake. We would have heard about it in the media. It's probably just some of the east-european propaganda again. They like to make up retard news stories. I remember russian tv showed this case earlier this year about the norwegian government stealing babes and selling them lol.

[Skorpionss]

It probably had alot more to do with them being roma than their religion

They're not roma. The father is Romanian, and the mother is Norwegian ... kids were born in Norway so they are Norwegian ... and anyway I didn't really understand the article either and it's in my native tongue... they don't really give any info from the authorities, only the parent's side of the story....

[Krille]

Like others have said, if this is true it has to be another reason. Religion is not the reason in this case.

Tbh, I think this is fake. We would have heard about it in the media. It's probably just some of the east-european propaganda again. They like to make up retard news stories. I remember russian tv showed this case earlier this year about the norwegian government stealing babes and selling them lol.

Wouldn't be surprised if that's something Norwegians actually do. Bunch of weirdos, probably dipped them in solid fish stench before selling them.

[Shadowferal]

Hmm...

Norway’s Child Protection Service Takes Away Children From Immigrant Parents

Norwegian publication Aftenposten found that about 40 percent of children under the Barnevernet’s care have an immigrant background.

European countries have the ability to place both domestic and foreign children in foster care if there are signs of abuse in the home. But some groups claim that cultural differences are to blame for some of these issues. For example, corporeal punishment in Norway is illegal, though some immigrants come from cultures where that is tolerated.

Many families come from areas where the government doesn’t interfere in domestic issues. “Very many people come from other cultures with no government intervening in their domestic affairs. Then they come to Norway and the government intervenes in the family and they have no experience with this,” Gunnar Toresen, head of the Child Protection Service in Stavanger, told the Associated Press. “So I understand that this is a very emotional situation.”

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From my American point of view, whatever grounds Norway may think it has is rather shaky to me.

[Zandalarian Paladin]

I never advocate religion. In fact, I've always been against religion.

But this is too far.

[Yokohama]

This OP is dumb, norway elected a far right anti immigrant leader recently who has been deporting people. why dont you look it up, in europe people on the far right tend to be atheist rather than christians like in the US. Try looking things up mkay?

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And if you dislike muslims to the point of being like anders breivik wanting to attack them , why dont you go to raqqa and attack the right ones instead of ones that arent terrorist unless you arent ballsy enough.

Getting quite upset there over nothing are we buddy?

OP didn't say anything that is not based on reality about Europe and muslims, yet you went on your little parade abotu Breivik and whatnot.
Quite ridiculous tbh.

[Huntingbear_grimbatol]

As far as I know the children were saying/singing something very inappropriate which someone reacted to and notified the authorities, I do not know what that might've been but it's the same thing as finding out about arranged marriages or other "culture traits" that we do not support as they are proven to break human rights and so on.

This doesn't have anything to do with the "right wing" prime minister we have now, I'm a left wing person myself- teacher. We notify all kinds of alarm signals to the authorities, it's not strict at all- 99% of the things reported are dismissed, if whatever the authorities discovered while investigating was apparently enough reason for a change of environment for the kid(s).

To paint you a picture, if a child of a family grows up to be in bad social circles (drugs, crime, underage pregnancy/alcohol intake etc) then social services in Norway will keep an eye on the younger siblings in that family and if they see things they dislike they'll step inn and make changes- "worst case" move the child from the parents. Sounds horrible but it's to secure the child the best possible future, may not even be anything wrong with the parents. Can be as simple as the friends of the child are having issues that influences the kid. Like I said, change of environment.

Imagine this, middle-eastern family circumcises their daughter- horrible thing to do. Take the daughter away or not?
Christian family teaches their kid values that are not welcome in the modern world (radicalism basically), take the kid or not?

People should be happy there's such a government agency that looks after the well being of kids, even if it means they can't stay with their family.

[Garnier Fructis]

Pentecostals are some the craziest of the bunch, it may as well be child abuse to raise children in a faith where idiot preachers think they're healing people's cancer by putting their hand on their heads, and get bit by snakes and die.

Rant aside, I hope they had an actual legitimate reason to take these children, because singing a song is probably not one of them.

[Deleted]

Hmm...

Norway’s Child Protection Service Takes Away Children From Immigrant Parents

Norwegian publication Aftenposten found that about 40 percent of children under the Barnevernet’s care have an immigrant background.

European countries have the ability to place both domestic and foreign children in foster care if there are signs of abuse in the home. But some groups claim that cultural differences are to blame for some of these issues. For example, corporeal punishment in Norway is illegal, though some immigrants come from cultures where that is tolerated.

Many families come from areas where the government doesn’t interfere in domestic issues. “Very many people come from other cultures with no government intervening in their domestic affairs. Then they come to Norway and the government intervenes in the family and they have no experience with this,” Gunnar Toresen, head of the Child Protection Service in Stavanger, told the Associated Press. “So I understand that this is a very emotional situation.”

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From my American point of view, whatever grounds Norway may think it has is rather shaky to me.

How so? Are you saying that immigrant families should be allowed to beat their kids, because they think it's alright?
You can agree or not agree with laws, but you still have to follow them. If you want to spank your kids when they do something bad, you can either try to influence the politicians to change the laws, or you can move somewhere where it is legal. You can't break the law and then say "But I think it SHOULD be legal" - doesn't work that way.

[Krille]

As far as I know the children were saying/singing something very inappropriate which someone reacted to and notified the authorities, I do not know what that might've been but it's the same thing as finding out about arranged marriages or other "culture traits" that we do not support as they are proven to break human rights and so on.

This doesn't have anything to do with the "right wing" prime minister we have now, I'm a left wing person myself- teacher. We notify all kinds of alarm signals to the authorities, it's not strict at all- 99% of the things reported are dismissed, if whatever the authorities discovered while investigating was apparently enough reason for a change of environment for the kid(s).

To paint you a picture, if a child of a family grows up to be in bad social circles (drugs, crime, underage pregnancy/alcohol intake etc) then social services in Norway will keep an eye on the younger siblings in that family and if they see things they dislike they'll step inn and make changes- "worst case" move the child from the parents. Sounds horrible but it's to secure the child the best possible future, may not even be anything wrong with the parents. Can be as simple as the friends of the child are having issues that influences the kid. Like I said, change of environment.

Imagine this, middle-eastern family circumcises their daughter- horrible thing to do. Take the daughter away or not?
Christian family teaches their kid values that are not welcome in the modern world (radicalism basically), take the kid or not?

People should be happy there's such a government agency that looks after the well being of kids, even if it means they can't stay with their family.

Sounds a lot like the sterilization programs in Sweden during the 30s-70s. Good for the better of society but a slight bit immoral.