Should there be requirements in order to have children?

[Deleted]

Would you avoid getting pregnant if you knew your kid was gonna be taken away from you after you had the hardship of carrying it for 9 months? Wanna bet you would try harder not to get pregnant?

It also works the other way around: You got 9 months to better your life and get an OK stamp.

Well, the problem is none of your arguments are real guarantees for good education.
You talk about psychic or financial evaluation...

I'm pretty sure some "poor" kids are happier and better taken care of than richer ones.
And pretty sure too that some socialy unstable parents are lovely with their children because it's their children, and that it's a unique relationship compared to any other one.

I'm afraid the only way to know if you're a "good parent" is to have a kid and find it out the hard way. So controlling it before the kid comes... seems impossible to me.

[davesurfer]

People would have to file for having a kid. Then people will get inspected, financially, psychologicly, etc.
Then they get an OK stamp to have children in their files.

When they enlist a child when its born their records get checked.
If they dont have an OK stamp, the child is put up for adoption.
For people with an OK stamp that cant have kids.

Wow so you want the government making that determination? I am not sure what country you are from, but most government fail at the basics like balancing a budget. Whomever gets in power will now set the standard? So if a far right person gets in, the government determines you have to be "X" religion. If the left gets in, your carbon footprint is too high if you have more than one kid.

I am being a bit extreme, but seriously the government needs to meddle less in people lives.

You are also advocating taking kids away from their parents potential due to financial status? Look at history, some of the most successful people came from poverty.

[Kaleredar]

Kurt Vonnegut aside, I get the feeling that the kind of people that make these threads (and they periodically pop up) don't have children and don't have plans to.

[May90]

Please... Our society is Orwellian enough already, with all these countless regulations and limitations. Let's just stop trying to prevent people from making any mistakes and, rather, invest in helping them make the right decisions.

[tehealadin]

Make drug addicts have to take some form of birth control in order to get their benefits (UK), until such a time as they are not addicts anymore. Nothing permanent.

A junkie breeding is a tragedy, almost always bringing into the world a damned baby with no hope, forcing society to pick up the tab, investing a massive amount of resources into trying, but usually failing to undo the damage the parent causes, who then end up on the gear and breeding. The cycle needs to be broken. The damage these cunt bastards do to their kids is fucking sickening (I work with kids, I grew up and live in an area with high rates of substance abuse and addiction, I've seen the damage done), they are a way to get extra benefit payments and nothing more.

Are they the only source of damage? Of course not. Just one. A pretty hefty one.

[matt4pack]

The biggest joke is how society treats adoptive parents while anyone can just pop out kids biologically no matter how unfit they are.

Yes you should need a license just like almost everything else.

[M1r4g3]

I mean the US already has a negative population growth(without immigration) afaik, instead of putting restrictions why not spread wealth/medical/education more evenly.

[Boil]

No 'OK' stamp…?

Kid gets shipped off to the military industrial complex, dropped in a creche & turned into super soldier scientists; forming the vanguard for our inevitable colonization of space…

[Kaleredar]

The biggest joke is how society treats adoptive parents while anyone can just pop out kids biologically no matter how unfit they are.

Yes you should need a license just like almost everything else.

Because you can't stop people from having children...?


This isn't like denying someone a car license where you can just stop them from buying a car.

[Mellomania]

Kinda think there should be, but i know it's not possible or realistic so

[Jtbrig7390]

What I find funny is so many people in this thread just on two pages would take someones kid away. But if they tried to take your guns away or any of your freedoms you go "Oh no's my freedoms" fucken priceless.

Everyone is ok to fuck with others shit but leave there shit alone..

[primalmatter]

Problem is even people with low amounts of education will try to prevent themselves from having kids when they can't afford it.

The problem stems from the fact idiots breed like rabbits. Take Africa, their population explosion only occurred from the rest of the world giving them massive amounts of charity without they would of stabilized a long time ago. People their have no concept of planning for the future and the middle east its much the same.

With more civilized countries with better living conditions you start to get people who can plan for the future and that leads to lower birthrates. Normally this would be a good thing as lower amounts of people in the work force mean the average worker gains spending power since his work can be sold at higher value.

The problem today is twofold one idiots allowed free trade rather then tariffs so production in most countries is utterly destroyed in favor of foreign slave or near slave labor. As well as unchecked and massive immigration to ensure the common mans salary stays low. Both have played roles in crushing the middle class and hence the lower birthrate as more educated people won't have children they can't afford save by accident.

[tehealadin]

What I find funny is so many people in this thread just on two pages would take someones kid away. But if they tried to take your guns away or any of your freedoms you go "Oh no's my freedoms" fucken priceless.

Everyone is ok to fuck with others shit but leave there shit alone..

I don't have guns, I live in the UK.

And kids are human beings. Not removing kids from some parents is just disgusting. I don't know what it is like in the US, as it didn't sign p to the UN rights of the child (it and Sudan), I don't know what specific rights kids have there, and whilst it is very patchy in the rest of the world, kids are more and more being seen not as property of their parents, but as living human beings who are entitled to specific rights and who have needs, and that there is a responsibility, first and foremost on the parent, but also on society, to see that those rights and not infringed and that those needs are met, and if those primarily responsible (parents) are infringing on said rights and not meeting said needs (neglect, abuse etc) then the responsibility falls to society to pick up the slack, and sometimes that requires moving the child away from the source of harm (the parent) so that those rights won't be infringed and those needs can be met, and hopefully (though in my experience it is more not than often) undo the damage done and give them a fair crack at life.

It is patchy, it isn't 100% spot on, and it is difficult and complex. However evil happens when those with the power to stop it do nothing. Inaction isn't always a virtue.

[Pann]

People would have to file for having a kid. Then people will get inspected, financially, psychologicly, etc.
Then they get an OK stamp to have children in their files.

When they enlist a child when its born their records get checked.
If they dont have an OK stamp, the child is put up for adoption.
For people with an OK stamp that cant have kids.

Even if you ignore the issues with forcibly removing children from their parents. That would probably be more expensive for the tax payer than having to pay for the few families that see their kids as a route to additional benefits.

[Independent voter]

The only culture I can think of that interfered with reproduction was the Chinese and their famous "one child" policy. They've since admitted that was a mistake. During the cultural revolution China got rid of specialists like people in social science so all that was left are engineers who worked for the military, it was these engineers who came up with "one child" and they knew nothing about human interaction.

[uxzuigal]

There already are requirements:
You will loose your child to child services if you do drugs, got too low IQ, abuse your child and several other things that make parents unfit. Atleast in Norway.

Other than that? No, everyone should be able to have children, you cannot stop people from having sex, and no form of prevention is 100%.

[Theinquisition]

No.

And for those who think yes, how could this be fairly enforced?

Got the nail on the head on the first post. Well done Revi

[Orlong]

No.

And for those who think yes, how could this be fairly enforced?

It can be enforced based on the welfare you apply for and your tax returns. If you arent financially secure your kids are taken from you and become a ward of the state until you can afford them without assistance. If we did this welfare rolls would drop about 90%. Also the child tax credit and EIT needs to get axed. Im sick and tired of my tax money going to pay for irresponsible people's kids. If Im going to be paying for it then I get a say in how its spent (ward of the state)

[Theinquisition]

What I find funny is so many people in this thread just on two pages would take someones kid away. But if they tried to take your guns away or any of your freedoms you go "Oh no's my freedoms" fucken priceless.

Everyone is ok to fuck with others shit but leave there shit alone..

What I find rather sad than funny is that there are people out there who seem to value their personal liberties so little that they mock them

[Orlong]

Because adoption is so much better then the loving parents it would have.....

real Answer: Nope humand rights and its none of anyones business.

They arent loving parents if they have a kid while living in a shithole and have no money. Loving parents have kids when they are in a position to provide a good home and can afford to support them. Even the Humane Society has standards you must meet before you take a dog home