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    Man, imprisoned 28 years after woman dreams he raped her, released, another confesses

    http://crimefeed.com/2015/12/man-cla...-seeing-dream/


    A man in Colorado who spent 28 years behind bars for a rape he denies committing has been released.

    Despite everything that’s happened over the last nearly three decades, 60-year-old Clarence Moses-EL finally walked out of prison just days before Christmas, on Tuesday. He posted a $50,000 bond issued by a judge and was able to see his wife and hug his grandchildren for the first time, NBC said.

    According to NBC News, a judge not only overturned his conviction from the 1980’s, but she said he would “likely” be acquitted if he were to go on trial again. The district attorney’s office has not yet decided if they will try his case again, according to NBC News, though a tentative trial date has been set for May.

    Moses-EL landed behind bars after the rape victim said she saw him in a dream about 24 hours after she was attacked, but during that time period, according to reports, she actually gave the cops the name of another man. That other person is a convicted rapist who later confessed to the violent act.

    The story began in 1988 when Moses-EL was accused of assaulting and raping a woman after she went out for a night of drinking, the NY Daily News reports.

    Twenty-five years later, Moses-EL received a letter from a convicted rapist who reportedly attacked a woman and her daughter in 1992. The man, identified as L.C. Jackson, said, “I really don’t know what to say to you, but let’s start by bringing what was done in the dark into the light. I have a lot on my heart,” according to court documents obtained by the NY Daily News.

    Fast forward to 2015: A spokesperson for the district attorney’s office said, “In his statement to the District Attorney’s investigator, he admitted he had lied and made the confession up. He said he had been told by the Innocence Project that he couldn’t be charged in the matter because the statute of limitations, so he felt he could tell a few lies to help out Moses-EL.”

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    Towanda Moses, Moses-EL’s relative, feels differently. She told the NY Daily News, “The victim named him, he said he did it, why is my uncle still in jail? That’s the million dollar question.” That statement was made days before his release.

    In addition to the confession, NBC News says Moses-EL’s case inspired legislation requiring the preservation of DNA in major felony cases. This was after all of the victim’s clothing and body swabs were thrown out in Moses-EL’s case.

    When asked what kept him going all this time, Moses-EL told NBC News it was his spirituality — “and my innocence. That’s what really kept me going.”

    Before leaving the sea of people who saw him walk free, Moses-EL said, “this is the moment of my life, right here. I’m at a loss for words. I just want to get home to my family.”

    During his imprisonment, Moses-EL has lost many loved ones, including his mother, his two sisters, two brothers, an uncle and a nephew.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GennGreymane View Post
    But he did rape her............in her dreams
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    So having sex is immoral and shameful?
    Quote Originally Posted by Orlong View Post
    Yes, and unsanitary as well. IF it wasnt it wouldnt be censored on TV and in movies (outside of porn)

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    "listen and believe" they said. "rape culture exists" they said. good god, what a clusterfuck of a case.

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    Oh he's black, never saw that coming

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    What? The guy actually got put in prison because of a dream and no other reason?
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    Never claimed I was a genuis.
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    I don't give a fuck if cops act shitty towards people, never have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Post View Post
    What? The guy actually got put in prison because of a dream and no other reason?
    Did you read the article? Or at least the bit in the original post? Because it goes over why he was put in prison.
    "So my advice is to argue based on the reasons stated, not try to make up or guess at reasons and argue those."
    Greg Street, Riot Developer - 12:50 PM - 25 May 2015

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    People that will make tasteful comments here should know that by the article, the woman was actually raped.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Furitrix View Post
    Reason why this thread won't get much attention.
    There is just nothing controversial.
    Quote Originally Posted by sarahtasher View Post
    People that will make tasteful comments here should know that by the article, the woman was actually raped.
    Not for 28 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boogums View Post
    Did you read the article? Or at least the bit in the original post? Because it goes over why he was put in prison.
    The OP is the entire article, did I miss something here?
    Quote Originally Posted by True Anarch View Post
    Never claimed I was a genuis.
    Quote Originally Posted by Furitrix View Post
    I don't give a fuck if cops act shitty towards people, never have.

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    I see a lawsuit in a not so distant future. Half of his life in prison for a crime he didnt commit ( looks like it ), i wonder if that is worth few million dollars?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sarahtasher View Post
    People that will make tasteful comments here should know that by the article, the woman was actually raped.
    That sucks, but doesn't excuse her for talking a good third of this dude's life away from him.
    "So my advice is to argue based on the reasons stated, not try to make up or guess at reasons and argue those."
    Greg Street, Riot Developer - 12:50 PM - 25 May 2015

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    ''Her'' ? It's that woman fault (it's of course is) and not the police department ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sarahtasher View Post
    People that will make tasteful comments here should know that by the article, the woman was actually raped.
    If we ( judicial system ) throw people into a prison based on dreams, then judging by my dreams there wouldnt be any more room for people...

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    Quote Originally Posted by sarahtasher View Post
    ''Her'' ? It's that woman fault (it's of course is) and not the police department ?
    It's both of their fault, but no one's trying to excuse the police from what happened.
    "So my advice is to argue based on the reasons stated, not try to make up or guess at reasons and argue those."
    Greg Street, Riot Developer - 12:50 PM - 25 May 2015

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    As hundreds if not thousands of cop shows and detective shows (and books) keep telling (it's an example), witnesses are remarkably unreliable, especially if they are the victims. That the woman thinks X-guy is the culprit, because for instance he looks like him (and/or, ''he is black guy'') is one thing. That's why, BTW, there are things called ''trial'' and ''pollice''.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boogums View Post
    Did you read the article? Or at least the bit in the original post? Because it goes over why he was put in prison.
    I did, and the website the OP 'quoted' from, and the original link to nydailynews that the quoted website 'quotes' from. Please, enlighten me as to why, other than the victim seeing the face of Moses-El in a dream, he was placed in prison? Because apparently I missed it (as did Post).

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    Quote Originally Posted by sarahtasher View Post
    As hundreds if not thousands of cop shows and detective shows (and books) keep telling (it's an example), witnesses are remarkably unreliable, especially if they are the victims. That the woman thinks X-guy is the culprit, because for instance he looks like him (and/or, ''he is black guy'') is one thing. That's why, BTW, there are things called ''trial'' and ''pollice''.
    So we're blaming the police for when victims and witnesses lie? Ok.
    "So my advice is to argue based on the reasons stated, not try to make up or guess at reasons and argue those."
    Greg Street, Riot Developer - 12:50 PM - 25 May 2015

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    That article doesn't really make sense, it's clearly missing a lot of factors. Suffice it to say we aren't getting the whole picture here (probably because this title will get more hits than the truth). Is the dream testimony part of it, probably, but it's not exactly bullshit. If someone is raped while they are drunk the person appearing in their dreams is potentially evidence, especially when backed up by harder evidence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boogums View Post
    So we're blaming the police for when victims and witnesses lie? Ok.
    It's not really a lie if the person is attempting to tell the truth.

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    Sorry your honor when I was under oath I was speaking about my dream.

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    I remember this. I thought it was another case where a daughter dreamt her dad raped her In some other country.

    Yup. Why don't we all just take their word for it and go with guilty until proven innocent. What harm could it do? We all know America has a horrible culture that condones rape.
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    No she shouldn't be removed she is an elected official and hasn't broken any laws just hurt some people's feelings.

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