Praising stuff you don't like because you agree with the message sent.

[Kalyria]

A friend of mine disliked Jessica Jones and the new Star Wars, but praises them openly because she believes they further the liberal - feminist agenda.

Same thing about a brony I know that hates CRPGs and Undertale, but since he is into furry stuff, he tells everyone that the game is amazing they should play it.

They both told me secretly (after a bit of prodding), that they don’t actually like these.

Is it a common thing? To praise something that you actually dislike because it echoes your political affinities, or some kind of niche fetish, or something else? Is it valid? Is it something exploited by movie studios / game developers?

Disclaimer – I don’t agree or disagree with their evaluations, I’m just curious if there’s many people that think like that.

[Xeones]

Sounds like terrible people.

[Revi]

I wouldn't go recommend media I didn't like, that's just.. Dishonest and weird. But I could still easily say I respect what they were trying to do.

Not that I think it's particularly noble to cast some hot lady as lead. It's a casting decision, and a good one at that, it's not some big loss they're willing to take to fight the good fight.

[Kalyria]

I wouldn't go recommend media I didn't like, that's just.. Dishonest and weird. But I could still easily say I respect what they were trying to do.

Not that I think it's particularly noble to cast some hot lady as lead. It's a casting decision, and a good one at that, it's not some big loss they're willing to take to fight the good fight.

Yeah! That's mostly the main point of my question.

If you completely discard abstract factors like beauty, attractiveness or aesthetics - which are known to sell media since... well... forever? - do companies release products with questionable quality but with a "ideological" or "fetishist" selling point?

I mean, "Yeah, I know our product sucks, but it caters to X people, and they would buy it even if it was horrible because we promote / show / praise their ideology / taste / religion (or whatever)".

[vindicatorx]

Sounds like terrible people.

yeah I would never be friends with either of these people

[Cybran]

Undertale is basically Tumblr the Game.

[Independent voter]

You have the enemy of my enemy is my friend strategy where even if you don't like something, you support it cause it helps you even remotely.

[Fencers]

What is Liberal and Feminist about Jessica Jones in particular?

The show portrayed Jessica more or less as she was written in 2001, as written by a man, Brian Bendis. Seems a weak claim at best to embrace any female lead or otherwise complex character portrayal as 'Feminist' and 'Liberal'.

Not to mention the vague and muddled connotations of just saying 'Feminist' and 'Liberal' agenda; as though there is only one, universal and standard agenda either Feminism or Liberalism follow.

[Deleted]

That's just dishonest

[Revi]

What is Liberal and Feminist about Jessica Jones in particular?

The show portrayed Jessica more or less as she was written in 2001, as written by a man, Brian Bendis. Seems a weak claim at best to embrace any female lead or otherwise complex character portrayal as 'Feminist' and 'Liberal'.

Not to mention the vague and muddled connotations of just saying 'Feminist' and 'Liberal' agenda; as though there is only one, universal and standard agenda either Feminism or Liberalism follow.

I haven't seen more than one episode, but it seemed like a strong female lead who was fighting an evil man that manipulated women into sleeping with him (among other things). Seems like something they'd lap up.

[taliey]

Reminds me of Russell Brand's hateful respect.

[Kalyria]

What is Liberal and Feminist about Jessica Jones in particular?

The show portrayed Jessica more or less as she was written in 2001, as written by a man, Brian Bendis. Seems a weak claim at best to embrace any female lead or otherwise complex character portrayal as 'Feminist' and 'Liberal'.

Not to mention the vague and muddled connotations of just saying 'Feminist' and 'Liberal' agenda; as though there is only one, universal and standard agenda either Feminism or Liberalism follow.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/201...n_8528150.html

It's subjective whether people think Jessica Jones is feminist, or liberal, or whatever, but the lead actress is a self-proclaimed "Feminist with a capital F", and her statements add to that. It's neither wrong nor right IMHO, but the point is - won't that appeal to feminists that wouldn't otherwise be interested a superhero movie?

[Tnfstc]

I dislike rap but I can see talent and praise Eminem, Tupac and others for being the best in their respective fields but openly praising a movie or game just because it "furthers my agenda" is garbage.

[Fencers]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/201...n_8528150.html

It's subjective whether people think Jessica Jones is feminist, or liberal, or whatever, but the lead actress is a self-proclaimed "Feminist with a capital F", and her statements add to that. It's neither wrong nor right IMHO, but the point is - won't that appeal to feminists that wouldn't otherwise be interested a superhero movie?

If they want to support the actress- I suppose. Though the show and character are not necessarily written that way. Jessica Jones is written pretty close to the way Bendis wrote her. She's kind of a mess and constantly screwing-up.

Not seeing a lot that intersects with Feminism or Liberalism, per se. Unless being a fictional female lead is an inherently Feminist and/or Liberal position- which it isn't.

[Spraxle]

Your friends are just being... I dunno. Maybe I'm just weird but I always tell people what I think of something. Even if I feel it's in line with my views that doesn't mean I'll give it a pass if it's garbage.

And Fencers is right about Jessica Jones. The show as very good in showing a character who was a mess and as such she did a lot of stuff that was messy. She's not supposed to be perfect (I think people thought she would be for some reason). Instead we got a well done interpretation of someone dealing with their demons in a literal and figurative way.

[slime]

I would call them sellouts, in this case just not for money.. for their weak and lame agendas.

[May90]

Sure, seems perfectly reasonable to me. For example, I don't really like MMOs, but I like it how they bring people from all over the world together in a single environment, removing cultural and geographic barriers. So, as much as I myself don't play MMOs nowadays, I totally approve what they do to the world. Or, at least, this aspect of them.

[enragedgorilla]

A friend of mine disliked Jessica Jones and the new Star Wars, but praises them openly because she believes they further the liberal - feminist agenda.

Same thing about a brony I know that hates CRPGs and Undertale, but since he is into furry stuff, he tells everyone that the game is amazing they should play it.

They both told me secretly (after a bit of prodding), that they don’t actually like these.

Is it a common thing? To praise something that you actually dislike because it echoes your political affinities, or some kind of niche fetish, or something else? Is it valid? Is it something exploited by movie studios / game developers?

Disclaimer – I don’t agree or disagree with their evaluations, I’m just curious if there’s many people that think like that.

Many of the "political/social " people are...flawed, the "what they are saying" is good...even if the person saying it may not be "ideal".
Most of these people have National Holidays named after them...Go ahead , look at a calendar...look at the Holidays named after people...then research the less "socially acceptable" sides of them.
Also look up a good portion of the social heroes, take a look at their less nice sides.
Does the "message" get thrown out if the person saying it has "dirt" on them?

Humans are flawed, the words they say may relay an ideal...something they themselves may never reach.

[Dys]

Integrity is something that a lot of people lack, or completely ignore for one reason or another, usually to fit in. Saying one thing and doing another is blatantly lying about your own ideals and tells the world you're an immature tool.

Seeing merit in parts of things you dislike, and expressing your views with that in mind shows sophistication and maturity.

It's a fine line, but it's a firm one.

[Deleted]

What is Liberal and Feminist about Jessica Jones in particular?

The show portrayed Jessica more or less as she was written in 2001, as written by a man, Brian Bendis. Seems a weak claim at best to embrace any female lead or otherwise complex character portrayal as 'Feminist' and 'Liberal'.

Not to mention the vague and muddled connotations of just saying 'Feminist' and 'Liberal' agenda; as though there is only one, universal and standard agenda either Feminism or Liberalism follow.

And let's not forget she is weak both in character, power and emotional. Half the shit that happens is her fault and she could have prevented most of it but she didn't because "sob sob hes so powerfull sob sob"