[Movie] Star Wars: Han Solo

[Tackhisis]

I don't like the dreary, achromatic gamma.

[Deleted]

How does this guy even slightly look like Han Solo?

I mean, it doesn't have to be a lookalike or anything, but even his charisma seems completely different.

[Deleted]

How does this guy even slightly look like Han Solo?

I mean, it doesn't have to be a lookalike or anything, but even his charisma seems completely different.

But the crowd that goes to see transformers n every superhero movie that comes out, will eat it up...



Edit: Or maybe not?...super bowl trailer views on youtube..

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[Shadowferal]

Not looking good;
Solo: A Star Wars Story Actor Shares New Details About the Troubled Production

original co-directors Phil Lord and Chris Miller were fired by Lucasfilm studio boss Kathleen Kennedy over “creative differences.” Days later, Ron Howard was hired to finish the film. Rumors ricocheted around Hollywood that the script was “unworkable” and that star Alden Ehrenreich was struggling to nail his impersonation of Ford, compelling some fans to preemptively revolt.(Why fans want it to flop.

So, are the reshoots quantitatively making Solo a better movie?
The actor says morale on the production improved by leaps and bounds with Howard’s arrival but points out it’s impossible to measure quality without seeing the final cut. He also points out that the financial underperformance of the last Star Wars installment — which fell $200 million short of analysts’ predictions, according to TheWall Street Journal — has incentivized the studio to make the Force strong with this one. “They have to make [Solo] good after The Last Jedi didn’t make as much money as expected,” he says. “If they want to keep making Star Wars movies, it has to be good.”

[Frontenac]

People always looking for the worst will end up getting what they look for. They will watch the movie, and instead of enjoying it for what it is, they will nitpick at every detail, look for any flaws from the actors, etc. Let's just wait instead of fearing for the worse.

I swear, Star Wars fandom is becoming more toxic every day.

[Shadowferal]

I swear, Star Wars fandom is becoming more toxic every day.

And who is to blame there?

[RobertoCarlos]

And who is to blame there?

Porgs? Jar jar Binks? Ewoks?

[Nefarious Tea]

And who is to blame there?

Star Wars fans are to blame. No one else.

[Frontenac]

And who is to blame there?

Fans, who else? They are the ones who turned what was just entertainment into a religion. They placed Star Wars onto a pedestal so high that all the flaws of the original trilogy disappear and nothing new could ever compare to such perfection. Even George Lucas himself has tasted the poison of those Star Wars idolaters.

[Shadowferal]

Fans are what made this franchise a success.
If the studio is saying "fuck the fans," then this will go the same way the prequels went. It's not how much money it makes that kills a franchise, it's how much it's expected to make. Sure, "Solo" could make several hundred million and on a budget half that could be thought of as a success. But if it was expected to make "Rogue One' numbers then that will be seen as a failure by Disney's measure.

[Frontenac]

Fans are what made this franchise a success.
If the studio is saying "fuck the fans," then this will go the same way the prequels went. It's not how much money it makes that kills a franchise, it's how much it's expected to make. Sure, "Solo" could make several hundred million and on a budget half that could be thought of as a success. But if it was expected to make "Rogue One' numbers then that will be seen as a failure by Disney's measure.

But they are not saying "fuck the fans!" They are genuinely trying to make the best movies possible. The problem is that the fandom has become so toxic and fanatic that any new movie or tv show generates a tidal wave of acrimonious bickering. Each fan feels entitled to his version of Star Wars and screams at blasphemy when the movie directors "fail" to create a flick that conforms to the idol he has built in his own sacred Star Wars shrine. Even when the movie director in question is the creator of Star Wars himself.

[Shadowferal]

But they are not saying "fuck the fans!" They are genuinely trying to make the best movies possible.

But the fans are disagreeing.
And for the record I am one of them.

[eschatological]

Fans are what made this franchise a success.
If the studio is saying "fuck the fans," then this will go the same way the prequels went. It's not how much money it makes that kills a franchise, it's how much it's expected to make. Sure, "Solo" could make several hundred million and on a budget half that could be thought of as a success. But if it was expected to make "Rogue One' numbers then that will be seen as a failure by Disney's measure.

The prequels were exactly what the hardcore fans wanted, in theory. Lots of world-building, a view of the Old Republic and how it works, an explanation of the Force, and the fall of Anakin. Lucas set out to fulfill every fan wish.

The problem with that in movie-making is that those things don't make a good story. Have you ever read the historical novel Ivanhoe? It's considered a famous work, but it's not a classic nor is it widely read or taught today because it's boring as shit and spends pages upon pages describing locales and clothing. The prequels extended the lore of the universe, perhaps (and in many shitty ways, at that), but it didn't tell good stories. And thus, they were failures as movies.

The new movies have focused on a more simple, narrative-focused, character driven story. They care less about people's Force Power ranking (which is a literal thread on this subforum) but more about the dramatic upswing of a hero stuck on a backwoods planet learning more about the greater universe. They care about the relationship between the villain and the hero, and less about who "should" beat the other in a fight based on how awesome they are with the Force. I find it super ironic that people want to rate and rank the Force as if it's quantifiable (like the travesty that was midichlorians) and say X character can't beat Y, when that's definitely a prequel mindset. The OT made the Force to be a mysterious, vague, almost sentient force that flowed through people, and sometimes flowed stronger through others in order to serve Its own purpose.

[Shadowferal]

Lets just say I've a bad feeling about this.

[Frontenac]

But the fans are disagreeing.
And for the record I am one of them.

Oh, I noticed. If the hat fits...

[P for Pancetta]

But they are not saying "fuck the fans!" They are genuinely trying to make the best movies possible. The problem is that the fandom has become so toxic and fanatic that any new movie or tv show generates a tidal wave of acrimonious bickering. Each fan feels entitled to his version of Star Wars and screams at blasphemy when the movie directors "fail" to create a flick that conforms to the idol he has built in his own sacred Star Wars shrine. Even when the movie director in question is the creator of Star Wars himself.

Obviously there is a group of die-hard fans who are very vocal about the franchise, and these fans will go and see the movie whether it's good or bad because they're die-hard fans. The Last Jedi didn't under-perform because of these fans but because the movie itself wasn't that good. The reason why the first movies where better received then the prequels was because George Lucas isn't a great editor. The first star wars movie was an absolute disaster and it took a whole team of his friends (and sister) to reedit the movie to make it the star wars people love today. However by the time he started making the prequels he was older and surrounded himself with yes men, people who didn't dare to disagree with George. After the first screening of the Phantom Menace everybody on the team including George knew the movie was a mess but it was to late to change it.

[Wilian]

But they are not saying "fuck the fans!" They are genuinely trying to make the best movies possible.

Well clearly they are doing something wrong then.

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The prequels were exactly what the hardcore fans wanted, in theory. Lots of world-building, a view of the Old Republic and how it works, an explanation of the Force, and the fall of Anakin. Lucas set out to fulfill every fan wish.

Lucas just isn't a very good director or screenwriter so when his team was filled with only yes-men rather than those whom could give him a challenge on certain ways of handling the thing the outcome was what it was. Good ideas marred with terrible execution. There is reason why best Star Wars movies are not directed by him (Empire, Jedi) and even out of the two the one where he meddled more is the one more poorly received (Jedi).

The new movies have focused on a more simple, narrative-focused, character driven story. They care less about people's Force Power ranking (which is a literal thread on this subforum) but more about the dramatic upswing of a hero stuck on a backwoods planet learning more about the greater universe. They care about the relationship between the villain and the hero, and less about who "should" beat the other in a fight based on how awesome they are with the Force. I find it super ironic that people want to rate and rank the Force as if it's quantifiable (like the travesty that was midichlorians) and say X character can't beat Y, when that's definitely a prequel mindset. The OT made the Force to be a mysterious, vague, almost sentient force that flowed through people, and sometimes flowed stronger through others in order to serve Its own purpose.

The problem with this is that at no point it ever feels that the characters that get pushed by this narrative lead on the story ever deserve what they have, get or are going through. At best it's inoffensive yet utterly pointless (Rose-Finn sidequest arc) and at worst it's the entire arc of Rey

[eschatological]

Why did Luke deserve becoming the fulfilment of a prophecy? Because he was the son of Anakin? Why did Anakin deserve his powers?

Serious question: If the eighth movie revealed Rey was actually an abandoned child from a renowned Jedi, say Obi Wan, would she have "deserved" her powers then?

[Low Hanging Fruit]

Admittingly this one is, so far, the one that's peek my interest the least. Sounds like something you do 10 or so years from now when maybe Ford has passed and Solo hadn't just returned a few years ago.

[Wilian]

Why did Luke deserve becoming the fulfilment of a prophecy? Because he was the son of Anakin? Why did Anakin deserve his powers?

Serious question: If the eighth movie revealed Rey was actually an abandoned child from a renowned Jedi, say Obi Wan, would she have "deserved" her powers then?

Luke deserved his story arc by having one. I won't comment on the prophecy because it didn't exist at the time and when it came up it was a retarded idea to begin with. I never agreed that there should be anything inherently special about Skywalker family either, I always found that notion redunant because Luke's story arc in itself made the character compelling without need of it being prodded up by "prophecies".

As far as Rey's parentage goes, I was actually content with the fact that she was a child of nobody. It was a better "twist" vs. her being a child of someone special. The issue with Rey's character is the overall arc, or lack of it in more general terms. She just moves from plot point to plot point and achieves everything required in those plot-points at relative ease.