[TV] The Wheel of Time

[rhorle]

People that like said THING or just don't care, rarely visit a forum post about it, as they have no issues with the THING.

Reddit, and other forums, don't follow that though. Sure the average peson will come somewhere to complain more than they would praise but not all forums are just echo chambers of negativity. Reddit has just as much positive/civil discussions as it does people venting/upset.

This forum has just been in decline for years so not many are left compared to the activity it once had. So you'll tend to get more of the extremes since there is nothing to temper them.

[Nymrohd]

Reddit, and other forums, don't follow that though. Sure the average peson will come somewhere to complain more than they would praise but not all forums are just echo chambers of negativity. Reddit has just as much positive/civil discussions as it does people venting/upset.

This forum has just been in decline for years so not many are left compared to the activity it once had. So you'll tend to get more of the extremes since there is nothing to temper them.

Pretty much, I visit plenty of hobby forums and fandoms and peopel tend to be fairly positive about the things they like there. MMOChamp is not really representation of what forums offer.

[Syegfryed]

Reddit is a piece of work with a lot of people who don't even follow the subreddit they are supposed to, dnd reddit is filled with people who don't even play it.

Here it looks like there is more negativity because people seems to open more threads about shit that aren't worthy praise, that only last for long because people try to defend it. No one opened a thread for the across the spiderverse movie yet, nor talked about it in the marvel topic, Pretty sure there isn't going to b emuch negativity there

[Xath]

an animated show of Wheel of Time could work. I wouldn't half mind seeing that.

This would be optimal a 10ish season long anime would be perfect.

[owbu]

Reddit is a piece of work with a lot of people who don't even follow the subreddit they are supposed to, dnd reddit is filled with people who don't even play it.

Here it looks like there is more negativity because people seems to open more threads about shit that aren't worthy praise, that only last for long because people try to defend it. No one opened a thread for the across the spiderverse movie yet, nor talked about it in the marvel topic, Pretty sure there isn't going to b emuch negativity there

The reason there is so much negativity on here is because people defend stuff that is actually shit.

... awesome

[d70cw6]

looks shit

[Lorgar Aurelian]

So I bit the bullet and restarted the novels while I wait for other books to come out, and man do they stand up less then I remembered.

The writing of the first book is painfully dry and wooden and the exposition feels painfully unnatural and out of place every where but Lan’s back story, it feels like a first time DM front loading there first session thinking people will leave other wise.

On the shows front I can see why they would want to make some of the changes they did but the execution is still super sloppy and while a fair chunk of the book should have been cut they went way to far and the show just flat out needed more episodes.

[Nymrohd]

So I bit the bullet and restarted the novels while I wait for other books to come out, and man do they stand up less then I remembered.

The writing of the first book is painfully dry and wooden and the exposition feels painfully unnatural and out of place every where but Lan’s back story, it feels like a first time DM front loading there first session thinking people will leave other wise.

On the shows front I can see why they would want to make some of the changes they did but the execution is still super sloppy and while a fair chunk of the book should have been cut they went way to far and the show just flat out needed more episodes.

Always felt that the Wheel of Time, when it comes to literary quality is just average for fantasy (I won't say below average because there is so much trash out there). But what always stuck to me is that he manages to make you care for his characters and that's a talent.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Always felt that the Wheel of Time, when it comes to literary quality is just average for fantasy (I won't say below average because there is so much trash out there). But what always stuck to me is that he manages to make you care for his characters and that's a talent.

Ya id agree to that, while the writing it self isn’t great most of the characters still come across rather well for the most part even if some take a Bit to get going.

[Corvus]

The first book is a little bit slower, which makes it odd they decided to change or simply remove the best bits of it.

[Orby]

wow Rand got shafted to top right. Not that I would complain if Gandalf ever got put front and centre over Frodo or Aragorn :P

[Lorgar Aurelian]

https://www.tvinsider.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/wheel-of-time-season-2-art.jpg

wow Rand got shafted to top right. Not that I would complain if Gandalf ever got put front and centre over Frodo or Aragorn :P

How could any one complain over this glorious poster!

[Orby]

How could any one complain over this glorious poster!

that is a glorious poster i will admit. Also that movie is under rated. while very flawed, it has some damn cool moments and animation I like :P

[rhorle]

The writing of the first book is painfully dry and wooden and the exposition feels painfully unnatural and out of place every where but Lan’s back story, it feels like a first time DM front loading there first session thinking people will leave other wise.

A lot of great works are not always written well. I've seen the same said about Dune. A great story that is well regarded for the story part but often cited as an example of how not to write by people teaching others to write. As people become more experienced in what is and is not considered good for writing they notice the flaws. Or if that "new car" effect wears off they might notice them as well.

Terry Pratchet references that a little bit in a quote about Tolkien.

"I read Tolkien now and notice the gaps, the evasions, all the 'bad' things... but few books have had the effect on me that TLOTR had when I was thirteen. Is he better or worse, for example, than Anita Brookner, widely regarded as a 'fine writer' although terribly dull to read? What is a writer supposed to achieve? "

[Lorgar Aurelian]

A lot of great works are not always written well.I've seen the same said about Dune. A great story that is well regarded for the story part but often cited as an example of how not to write by people teaching others to write. As people become more experienced it what is and is not considered good for writing they notice the flaws. Or if that "new car" effect wears off they might notice them as well.

Terry Pratchet references that a little bit in a quote about Tolkien.

"I read Tolkien now and notice the gaps, the evasions, all the 'bad' things... but few books have had the effect on me that TLOTR had when I was thirteen. Is he better or worse, for example, than Anita Brookner, widely regarded as a 'fine writer' although terribly dull to read? What is a writer supposed to achieve? "

I can’t say I disagree, for all the first books writing is rather painful I did still enjoy the story and hopefully that will keep up atleast until the later books which I remember falling off.

Wot was also the first book series I went through for ever ago and I can’t say I remember any of the flaws in its styling back then but after going through 200 or so books since then it stands out.

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that is a glorious poster i will admit. Also that movie is under rated. while very flawed, it has some damn cool moments and animation I like :P

I know it’s not the best LoTR movie by any quality standards but I’d be damned if it wasn’t my favourite by a mile.

[Redwyrm]

SNIP

wow Rand got shafted to top right. Not that I would complain if Gandalf ever got put front and centre over Frodo or Aragorn :P

Unfortunately this reflects the focus of the TV series versus the focus of the books. In the books Rand is our central viewpoint character (until the party splits of course). Moiraine is the mysterious stranger we don't know if we can trust.

If you read the Shannara books (forget the tv series), it's the same way. The focus is on Shea Ohmsford (and his subsequent lineage). Not Allanon. And it should never be Allanon.

[Rennadrel]

Season 2 is going to flop so hard. People watched season 1 out of curiosity, with most viewers failing to finish it because it was so bad, and WoT fans generally being annoyed with how much they butchered the story. Frankly you'd need 16-20 episodes at an hour each in order to properly tell the story, and we know that isn't happening. Thankfully production on this abortion of a show has ceased thanks to the strike. I won't at all be surprised if it gets cancelled.

[SpaghettiMonk]

wow Rand got shafted to top right. Not that I would complain if Gandalf ever got put front and centre over Frodo or Aragorn :P

Yup - this is one of those things where they got a name star so they made her a much bigger character than she was in the source material (like Sandra Bullock in The Blind Side). This mean they completely sidelined Rand. Most of the first book is told completely from Rand's perspective - this does change over the course of the series, but at least initially the reader experiences the entire story from Rand's perspective. Shifting it to Moiraine is jarring. They also did Rand dirty by claiming that the issue is that HE might become the one who breaks the world.

[rhorle]

I won't at all be surprised if it gets cancelled.

It has already been renewed for Season 3 and began filming in April 2023. It might not get a season 4 but it would be rare to not get Season 3. Though the writer and now actor strike is likely impacting the show.

Do you have evidence to back up that most people failed to finish? Or rather that it was outside of industry norms? Remember even a highly praised show like Arcane only saw a 60% completion rate according to leaked information.

[Xath]

wow Rand got shafted to top right. Not that I would complain if Gandalf ever got put front and centre over Frodo or Aragorn :P

Wow that looks awful that composition is just painful also looks out of focus