[TV] The Wheel of Time

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Ah I see. Yea I can basically tell you all the major plot points for every book outside of the two I mentioned. Post Cleansing and pre-Sanderson are vague for me still, but everything else I have at quick recall.

I wonder if that has anything to do with why you liked the show better. It is likely harder to be upset about screwed up plot if you don't remember it all that well. (though admittedly you say you recall the first 2 books)

Quick quiz, do you remember Noam without having to look it up?

I've said quite a few time that I think the show is a pretty god awful adaptation so not remembering some plot points really doesn't effect me view at all, The first two books are also likely the one's I remember of the most of with the second book being my favorite by far So given what's adapted so far there is far less slush.

And I can't say I remember Noam but it's always a toss up between my dyslexia and actually forgetting something when it comes to names beyond characters I really like. Like I don't think I could name most of the forsaken but Id think I have a decent hold on most of there story lines.

[Surfd]

Mat fools around with ALOT of women, hard to know how many he sleeps with, but he doesn't act like Tylin was his first by any measure, so its safe to say a few.

Almost positive that Mat was probably the only one of the entire two rivers lot who wasn't a virgin even before they left the village. I am pretty sure it was heavily implied that he'd had quite a few rolls in the hay with several of the local girls, and the only reason he hadn't been forcefully married to one of them was because they'd never been caught in the act.

[Nymrohd]

I remember him being a slave to her for a time but is it ever explicitly sexual? Mabye I just don't remember it.

I know Parrin got it on a fair bit with his wife.

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Ah actually I was thinking of Tuon, I don't actually remember Tylin and Mat at all.

She binds him naked to the bed after sex and leaves him there. People walk in on him. More explicit than that would be pornography.

[Shadowferal]

Quick quiz, do you remember Noam without having to look it up?

yup.
Farstrider

[Gumble]

yup.
Farstrider

Nope..... You're thinking of Jain.... or Noal.

Noam is a very different person.... ehhh..... sorta person

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I don't think I could name most of the forsaken but Id think I have a decent hold on most of there story lines.

Just trying from memory. I know I'll mess up the spelling for some.

Ishamael
Demandred
Rahvin
Sammael
Asmodean
Bethammal
Aginor
Belal
Lanfear
Semirhage
Mesanna
Graendal
Moghedien



Belal and Bethammal I swear I'm messing up the spelling of, and they came to me last.

(looked it up, yep, though I was sorta close. Be'lal and Balthamel)

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NEW QUESTION


When did the link with the horn get broken from Mat?

[Lorgar Aurelian]

NEW QUESTION

When did the link with the horn get broken from Mat?

It’s when he’s hung but his glaive in the fairy/elf realm isn’t it? Then that kid blows it later even though every one thinks May has to.

That or what (insert correct forsaken name) kills him but that guy got bail fired I believe which brought him and a couple others back to life so I’m not sure if that counted.

[Gumble]

It’s when he’s hung but his glaive in the fairy/elf realm isn’t it? Then that kid blows it later even though every one thinks May has to.

That or what (insert correct forsaken name) kills him but that guy got bail fired I believe which brought him and a couple others back to life so I’m not sure if that counted.

Which of those do you believe it is? Hawkwing gave you the answer.

And the kid is Olver and the forsaken is Rahvin who balefired

[Shadowferal]

Nope..... You're thinking of Jain.... or Noal.

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/wo...20100502022856
damn.

When did the link with the horn get broken from Mat?

When he got doggie drooled on..he doesn't remember because Rand hit the pup with balefire.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Which of those do you believe it is? Hawkwing gave you the answer.

And the kid is Olver and the forsaken is Rahvin who balefired

I want to say the balefire happened first so if that counted it would likely be then though I can’t say I remember if they ever address balefire undoing stuff and magical links like with the horn.

Though I know they get in quite a bit of talk about how magic items work and how to make new ones in later books so Mabye it’s addressed there.

[Gumble]

I want to say the balefire happened first so if that counted it would likely be then though I can’t say I remember if they ever address balefire undoing stuff and magical links like with the horn.

Though I know they get in quite a bit of talk about how magic items work and how to make new ones in later books so Mabye it’s addressed there.

Shadowferal brings up a good point I hadn't considered.

Book 4 is when Mat gets hung from a tree, however in the Last Battle Hawkwing says that the link was not broken then (implying Mat wasn't totally dead).

Book 5 is when Mat is seemingly dead (though not confirmed, Rand just thought he was dead) and does bring him back with balefire against a darkhound.

Book 5 is also when Rahvin kills Mat with lightning. This is a contested thing though since his medallion later works against men's channeling (Halima and Demandred). Whether Mat was dead or just knocked out and smoking from the blast is hard to say.


We will go with Book 5, and leave it at that, either could be the right answer.

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NEXT QUESTION



What was the name of the wife from the Black Tower who on the first day wanted her husband to fail?

[Lorgar Aurelian]

NEXT QUESTION



What was the name of the wife from the Black Tower who on the first day wanted her husband to fail?

names are a block hole on my part. Outside of the main two rivers starting cast I can only think of a handful of characters I could name for sure mostly being the characters I liked the most being Gawyn, Galad , Faile, Hopper, Min, Tam, Birgitte, Demandred and Egwene who I remember because I absolutely can’t stand her.

[Gumble]

Demandred

How? Why? Whaa? He was in it so very little that he had almost no personality outside of raging jealousy at being just slightly "less" than Lews Therin.

Egwene who I remember because I absolutely can’t stand her.

My girl! What could you possibly dislike about Egwene????


Nah, I understand she is a super divisive character. I love her, but she is basically like every woman in my family so I relate to her alot. Outside of Moiraine, she is one of the few female characters that I feel has a balanced character and doesn't drift into stereotypes. One of the ONLY things I liked about the show was that they recognized that Egwene's story makes 100000000x more sense if you simply say "She is a ta'veren". Now, basically everything people dislike about her makes sense and you can enjoy the story.

Besides, who doesn't like a badass B hanging out of a broken tower shooting lightning at dinosaurs?

[Lorgar Aurelian]

How? Why? Whaa? He was in it so very little that he had almost no personality outside of raging jealousy at being just slightly "less" than Lews Therin.

honestly I just think him fighting Gawyn Galad and then Lann at the end was really cool, though it’s likely that it’s more so that I like those three a ton with Lan being my second favourite character.

My girl! What could you possibly dislike about Egwene????

Nah, I understand she is a super divisive character. I love her, but she is basically like every woman in my family so I relate to her alot. Outside of Moiraine, she is one of the few female characters that I feel has a balanced character and doesn't drift into stereotypes. One of the ONLY things I liked about the show was that they recognized that Egwene's story makes 100000000x more sense if you simply say "She is a ta'veren". Now, basically everything people dislike about her makes sense and you can enjoy the story.

Besides, who doesn't like a badass B hanging out of a broken tower shooting lightning at dinosaurs?

ah my bad that’s my dyslexia kicking in and me not double checking.

Egwene is great I’m thinking of the princess/queen Elayne. There names always mess with me verbally vs in writing.

[Corvus]

Oh boy, it is sad just how far Elayne fell. Her first appearance is one of the very best bits in The Eye of the World - can't believe they cut that bit from the show. Seriously, Rand's adventured in Caemlyn were great, right down to his meeting with the Queen, which is when you first find out just how major a heron-marked blade was.

[Gumble]

Oh boy, it is sad just how far Elayne fell. Her first appearance is one of the very best bits in The Eye of the World - can't believe they cut that bit from the show. Seriously, Rand's adventured in Caemlyn were great, right down to his meeting with the Queen, which is when you first find out just how major a heron-marked blade was.

Well the show cut the heron-marking stuff out completely. As far as any viewers who aren't readers are concerned, its just a sword.

Given the pictures we've seen of the girl they cast as Elayne...... man.... I could say I'm expecting too much, but I know Amazon is capable of casting people that look like the character they are supposed to be playing. Elayne (for all her faults) is supposed to be exceptionally beautiful with red-gold curls. This is who they think Elayne is....



I didn't even try that hard and came up with someone that looks more like how she is described:




I understand the CW has rarely been a place for impressive television, but Amazon could at least try to cast some people that are both A) attractive and B) look like the character they are cast as.


And its not like they can pretend they can't do it with Amazon money..... I mean Jack Reacher:

[Surfd]

I want to say the balefire happened first so if that counted it would likely be then though I can’t say I remember if they ever address balefire undoing stuff and magical links like with the horn.

Balefire literally burns your thread completely out of the pattern. Everything your thread was responsible for just no longer "is" once you are burned out by balefire. It's why even the forsaken are scared of it.

However, I am pretty sure that it is mentioned that people are aware of the ripples caused by removing a thread from the pattern this way, in a sort of dejavu like way where they subconsciously know something is not quite how it used to be.

The thing with Matt is the question of if undoing his "death" from the Darkhound poison means he is treated as never having died in the first place in which case, the horn would still be bound to him, or if it counts as changing something that did happen, in which case the link to the horn is broken because he was dead and now isn't.

I would lean more towards the latter given the as mentioned subconscious feeling that he knows something was changed.

[Xath]

Oh boy, it is sad just how far Elayne fell. Her first appearance is one of the very best bits in The Eye of the World - can't believe they cut that bit from the show. Seriously, Rand's adventured in Caemlyn were great, right down to his meeting with the Queen, which is when you first find out just how major a heron-marked blade was.

Nah man we gotta have a warder funeral can't show holy crap Tam was a badass

[rhorle]

Balefire literally burns your thread completely out of the pattern. Everything your thread was responsible for just no longer "is" once you are burned out by balefire. It's why even the forsaken are scared of it.

It is proportional to the power used. So only the stuff up to a certain point are erased from the pattern.

As for his death and when the horn was broken in was when his death from the prophecy was fullfilled (The death by Rahvin undone by Rand). The below quote is taken from theoryland

Interview: Apr 15th, 2013
Reddit AMA 2013 (Verbatim)
Shillster ()
Why did Mat's death break the bond with the Horn when his death was reversed with balefire? Wouldn't it also reverse the breaking of the bond?
Brandon Sanderson
This is one where I just let Team Jordan lead. They told me why the bond had been broken, and that the other death didn't count. It was straight from RJ's mouth, but was not included in the notes, so we just had to work with what we had.

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There's a great theory online called Taimandred where people speculate that Taim was supposed to be Demandred and Jordan changed it because too many fans were guessing it.

That seems unlikely and just copium from those who couldn't handle an author saying that theory wasn't true.

Interview: Sep 3rd, 2005
DragonCon Report - Isabel (Verbatim)
Isabel
Was Taimandred a deliberate ruse to lead your readers astray, or were you surprised (by the all of the theories connecting Taim to Demandred)?
Robert Jordan
I was surprised but I wasn't going to disabuse you of it for a while, I like to watch you squirm.

[eschatological]

Isn't the second picture Isla Fischer? Like....it would be insanely expensive to cast an actual movie star for one character?

[Orby]

Isn't the second picture Isla Fischer? Like....it would be insanely expensive to cast an actual movie star for one character?

We'll find ourselves a bootleg Isla Fischer on the cheap somewhere :P

Also I think people hold beauty to high standards these days. I think the actor playing Elayne is very beautiful, like WTF.