1. #7761
    Quote Originally Posted by Jessicka View Post
    Widow can and will finish, and doesn't need to waste time running away. Not all about pure headshots here, as the myth goes.
    Except a simple wall completely shuts down a widow maker. If a wall is not a factor then any offensive hero could of done what the widow maker can do.

    There is no wasted time running away, they have those abilites baked in.

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    i feel like it should be a bannable offense to get outdamaged as a damage hero by Zenyatta when you lose a game

    Quote Originally Posted by Jester Joe View Post
    Not at all, and you can easily go check that up yourself, I don't bother to hide, I've said before that I'm plat
    which means that you aren't plat because you don't even play comp that's like saying you're a marine so you can start swimming in pussy when you haven't been on a single tour of duty xD

    Quote Originally Posted by Jester Joe View Post
    You're the one comparing Bastions dps to Mercy's hps and thinking that proves something though. You're just digging yourself a hole.
    yall started whining because i said mercy was the best support in the game because she turns fights 8v6 vs teams without a Mercy and wanted to argue technically in some ways other supports were actually superior which is about is obvious as the fact that water is wet and tacos are good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gandrake View Post
    i feel like it should be a bannable offense to get outdamaged as a damage hero by Zenyatta when you lose a game



    which means that you aren't plat because you don't even play comp that's like saying you're a marine so you can start swimming in pussy when you haven't been on a single tour of duty xD



    yall started whining because i said mercy was the best support in the game because she turns fights 8v6 vs teams without a Mercy and wanted to argue technically in some ways other supports were actually superior which is about is obvious as the fact that water is wet and tacos are good.
    By that logic, I'm diamond then because that's where I climbed up to when I actually had enough time to play past placements. So I'm not sure if you want to argue I'm not plat then. You cut that part out again though. Either way, my personal skill level is irrelevant to the debate. I do play comp every season to get placements done at least.

    And no one was arguing that Mercy isn't the best at the moment, so maybe you misunderstood a few posts or confused this thread with another.

    I did say Mercy's popularity is always going to be high as long as she can put out a really good hps while being easy to pick up, because not everyone plays healers but at some point you're going to have to. Hps isn't comparable to dps either, because Bastions Max dps comes at too many sacrifices, while Mercy's Max hps doesn't.

    But yes, there are other ways other supports are better. Zen is far better for graviton surge.
    Lucio is far better for a d.va/Mei ult.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ravex View Post
    I'm not interested in going back and forth on things we have already discussed because we obviously disagree, and I'm fine with that.

    However just as Kasierith is saying, you are severely underestimating how climbing through the ranks and playing the game gives you a much better idea about game state then reading and watching.
    Just to clarify on this, it's not that I'm underestimating, it's I'm talking about this specific case where someone was claiming that the higher your ranking the more you know.

    Which isn't always true. I'd point towards one tricks as an example in that case of people who only know one thing, but know it extremely well. That doesn't mean a one trick Symmetra knows more about Torb than a Diamond Torb player does. The Sym knows how to work around Torb, but not how to play Torb, or how to play around other characters as Torb.

    Hopefully that clears it up a bit at least.
    Last edited by Jester Joe; 2018-01-07 at 06:27 PM.

  4. #7764
    So, just so I am caught up on the forums:
    People bit h when Widow is on their team still (for no good reason). I've had plenty of games where there's a Widow on my team, who does well and gets picks on every enemy push. I've also had games where we lost at hero select because people see Widow and go "that's it. Games over, I'm not trying!" I'm not saying I support Widow players, as most of my matches, both with and against, they aren't that good; however, I'm not going to throw in the towel at hero select just because I've had enough games that they surprise you. If they aren't getting picks or getting hard countered, I'll ask them to swap to something more useful.
    Next point: people still complaining about Mercy? Jesus, learn to aim a bit and maybe not let her Rez her teammate in full view of your team and get back out. Honestly, you know how many times I've been support on my team where we kill Rein (the ONLY enemy tank) just to watch my team spectate the Mercy swooping in to Rez Rein? All because they are trying to shoot the Junkrat hiding behind a wall. Honestly, so many of the Mercy complaints would just disappear if people knew how to prioritize targets. Here's a thought, just as an example, if you're on Junkrat and just "too good to switch," maybe build your Ult up, use it wisely, and pick off thatMercy with it? If you get more than her, that's a bonus. Then let me know how much you want to complain about her Rez being so damn OP when your team still fails even though she's dead.
    I also enjoyed seeing the arguement that Widow gives enemy support free Ult charge. Exactly what the fuck do you think you are doing as literally any other character that doesn't kill someone while hitting them?
    Seriously, some of the arguements people come up with are just laughable anymore.

  5. #7765
    so had an enemy tracer who glitched himself into the bell on hamamura and couldnt be attacked while tracer was killing everyone from our team
    needless to say we lost because of that shit
    I hope the player gets a perma ban
    he said we should chill and he is only "testing"
    he can do that shit in qp and not in comp

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    Quote Originally Posted by rarhyx View Post
    so had an enemy tracer who glitched himself into the bell on hamamura and couldnt be attacked while tracer was killing everyone from our team
    needless to say we lost because of that shit
    I hope the player gets a perma ban
    he said we should chill and he is only "testing"
    he can do that shit in qp and not in comp
    He can expect a lifetime ban for using that exploit. Blizz are seriously hard on people who use those things.

  7. #7767
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    Just had the shock of my life. Finished placements 7-3, and placed 330 SR above where I finished in season 7. I placed 2150 and climbed to 2260 last season but I only played a handful of games after placements. I just got placed 2596. I always used to flex but now I just main Dva and I'm getting pretty good with her. I guess that helps.

  8. #7768
    Getting another smurf to 25 is a pain in the ass.

  9. #7769
    Quote Originally Posted by Boomzy View Post
    I mean you shouldn't really be smurfing in the first place, so I'd say that's a good thing.
    I needed an account where I only have time on Hanzo and I'm going to try to push GM with it. What is so bad about that?

  10. #7770
    Quote Originally Posted by Speaknoevil View Post
    I needed an account where I only have time on Hanzo and I'm going to try to push GM with it. What is so bad about that?
    Thought smurfing was against ToS. Probably wrong, but if not, I wouldn't blatantly put it out there that's what you're doing.

  11. #7771
    Quote Originally Posted by Eapoe View Post
    Thought smurfing was against ToS. Probably wrong, but if not, I wouldn't blatantly put it out there that's what you're doing.
    Smurfing isn't.

    Abusing/rigging ranking with comp is though, like when a streamer used subscribers to get his smurf placed at bronze so he can climb to GM as one character.

    So as long as they don't do that, and just place wherever they get placed, it will probably be fine. Unless it becomes another Torb only situation thing.

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    300SR gain in two days, 250 to go to get back where I was. Still hate how premades just destroy the MMR system, it simply can't handle them, they even admitted it causes such problems but still they persist in allowing such widely spread groups at low levels in spite of tightening it up at the top :/

  13. #7773
    Every team I have encountered today: 1 tank (me) 1 healer or no healers, constant bitching and moaning... not a single team wanting to win. Yep Overwatch does get worse with every season...
    Camilla: You, sir, should unmask.
    Stranger: Indeed?
    Cassilda: Indeed, it's time. We have all laid aside disguise but you.
    Stranger: I wear no mask.
    Camilla: (Terrified, aside to Cassilda.) No mask? No mask!

  14. #7774
    Quote Originally Posted by The King in Yellow View Post
    Every team I have encountered today: 1 tank (me) 1 healer or no healers, constant bitching and moaning... not a single team wanting to win. Yep Overwatch does get worse with every season...
    Because as the game continues and Blizzard keeps going with the current MMR people have started listening to, and learning about, the ways it works. As it stands, you're better off getting to know 2-3 heroes, and playing them nonstop for bigger gains and smaller losses. Damage is also highly preferred as the more damage and elims you get the more you gain and less you lose.
    As pointed out by one of the YouTube personalities I watch, on a KotH with Orissa and Bastion, Bastion will gain more SR simply because he's doing more damage than Orissa. Bastion will leave on a win with bigger SR gains than Orissa, and actually lower Orissa's gains because she's not getting the damage she usually does. Never mind the fact that without Orissa shielding and babysitting the Bastion that he potentially would be useless, Orissa suffers from it.
    That's something else not many people discuss when talking about MMR. With the current system, you are not only trying to overcome yourself and play better while trying to do better than everyone else who plays that map with that hero, you're also battling your own team, as that Bastion might be really good and hitting a lot of shots, which translates you to personally doing less for your personal gains.

  15. #7775
    People have been so abusive to me in quickplay today.
    Last edited by Speaknoevil; 2018-01-09 at 02:29 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Speaknoevil View Post
    I needed an account where I only have time on Hanzo and I'm going to try to push GM with it. What is so bad about that?
    Its utterly toxic and quite frankly damaging to the game, but I doubt we'll change your view on that.

  17. #7777
    Quote Originally Posted by Tommo View Post
    Its utterly toxic and quite frankly damaging to the game, but I doubt we'll change your view on that.
    In what ways is it toxic or damaging to the game. Try.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Speaknoevil View Post
    In what ways is it toxic or damaging to the game, try.
    You're actively creating new accounts so you can burn through inexperienced players and lower rated players, which damages their enjoyment, doesnt improve the skill of anyone on your team and basically lets you trick the already crappy system for easier gains.

    Just play your normal account and if you have the time investment you'll get GM.

  19. #7779
    Quote Originally Posted by Tommo View Post
    You're actively creating new accounts so you can burn through inexperienced players and lower rated players, which damages their enjoyment, doesnt improve the skill of anyone on your team and basically lets you trick the already crappy system for easier gains.

    Just play your normal account and if you have the time investment you'll get GM.
    I have no intention of placing low, it is just so I can play the characters I want without "I SEE YOU HAVE SOME TIME ON MERCY OVER THE LAST YEAR. PLAY MERCY OR IM THROWING."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Speaknoevil View Post
    I have no intention of placing low, it is just so I can play the characters I want without "I SEE YOU HAVE SOME TIME ON MERCY OVER THE LAST YEAR. PLAY MERCY OR IM THROWING."
    I would be surprised if thats truly as prevalent as your stating, dont get me wrong, ranked is full of toxic shitheads but communication is still a valid tool in these scenarios.

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