"pvp" gear in legion

[Deleted]

So did i get this right, only the ilvl of whatever you are wearing matters cause they take all stats away and give a pvp template of stats which scales with your ilvl?

[Thrif]

Yes. ilvl improve your stats by 0.1 per ilvl (800->900 is a 10% increase). What stats you have doesn't matter, just ilvl.

Artifacts still work, so they will be important and most likely the biggest difference between players.

[ComputerNerd]

Yes, though a recent blue post suggested they would look at more limited options for tweaking the template in favour of specific stats.
They don't want free control as that would be against the idea of the template, but perhaps if you could have multiple templates.

[klaps_05]

so if you are ilevel 900 and u fight someone who is ilevel 800, it will be like fighting someone who has WoD season 2 gear while you have WoD season 3 gear

[Pandragon]

so if you are ilevel 900 and u fight someone who is ilevel 800, it will be like fighting someone who has WoD season 2 gear while you have WoD season 3 gear

no. cause someone in season 3 epics will completely destroy someone in season 3 blues. its more like someone in full blues, vs someone with a couple of epics.

[Turinn]

Holinka wants to turn WoW into a moba. Gear, dedication or progress doesn't matter anymore, eveyone gets handed the same gear when they enter a BG.

Not to mention awful PvP ONLY talents which don't work anywhere else in the game. Even PvE doesn't have that.

This man needs to be fired.

[Turtlewithnoshell]

Holinka wants to turn WoW into a moba. Gear, dedication or progress doesn't matter anymore, eveyone gets handed the same gear when they enter a BG.

Not to mention awful PvP ONLY talents which don't work anywhere else in the game. Even PvE doesn't have that.

This man needs to be fired.

PVP talents work in PVP. They will activate in world pvp. Also, this is to promote PVP blance. With ilvl scaling your stats only a small portion they can easily tune and balance when things are overpowered or underpowered.

[Deleted]

Yes. ilvl improve your stats by 0.1 per ilvl (800->900 is a 10% increase). What stats you have doesn't matter, just ilvl.

Artifacts still work, so they will be important and most likely the biggest difference between players.

If thats the case, why arent artifact weapons locked ilvl xxx in beta atm to allow actual testing to happen. atm you start with 750 ilvl artifact and ive seen some people who run around with 800+ ilvl artifacts recking people.

[docterfreeze]

So if I wanted to play a haste stacking destruction warlock because I like getting spells off quickly, I couldn't.

If sniper training was still MM hunter's mastery and I thought I was skilled enough to use it efficiently in PvP, it doesn't matter, I can't stack it.

So they want legion PvP to be skillful, then they go and remove reforging, and now everyone has predetermined stats, on top of removing even more spells that high ranked players used efficiently but lower ranked players didn't even have bound.

Zero customization. Zero Skill. Why not just give everyone two buttons, one does damage and the other is a heal? What a fucking joke.

[Grimsparkle]

So if I wanted to play a haste stacking destruction warlock because I like getting spells off quickly, I couldn't.

If sniper training was still MM hunter's mastery and I thought I was skilled enough to use it efficiently in PvP, it doesn't matter, I can't stack it.

So they want legion PvP to be skillful, then they go and remove reforging, and now everyone has predetermined stats, on top of removing even more spells that high ranked players used efficiently but lower ranked players didn't even have bound.

Zero customization. Zero Skill. Why not just give everyone two buttons, one does damage and the other is a heal? What a fucking joke.

It's lazy design - they've taken a user hostile approach to designing PvP and content consumption. By removing customization, they eliminate the possibility someone might discover an undetected advantage in the name of 'we envision the class fantasy to be played THIS way'. Yes, it is easier (for them) to manage tweaking and balance at the expense of customization [player investment] and fun.

[gaz770]

There is still PvP Set Bonus... Right?

[Edison]

Holinka wants to turn WoW into a moba. Gear, dedication or progress doesn't matter anymore, eveyone gets handed the same gear when they enter a BG.

Not to mention awful PvP ONLY talents which don't work anywhere else in the game. Even PvE doesn't have that.

This man needs to be fired.

They are ruining PVP in Legion (IMO) This has put me on the brink whether or not to get this expansion at all

[Eerie Memes]

Them removing reforging and the ability to focus on stats only removed the ability for new players to fuck themselves over. Everyone with any experience just goes online and finds the best spec and copies it. There was always a best way to build your character and any minor modifications were exactly that, minor. You whiners and alarmists don't have to play if you don't like that, if anything your absence will just make the community less toxic. The game changes, deal with it or don't.

[kubuntu]

There is still PvP Set Bonus... Right?

nope there is not , also trinkets dont works in PvP

[Stormspellz]

There is still PvP Set Bonus... Right?

nope

the "pvp gear" is just rng pieces with no bonus or trinkets

[judgementofantonidas]

Holinka wants to turn WoW into a moba. Gear, dedication or progress doesn't matter anymore, eveyone gets handed the same gear when they enter a BG.

Not to mention awful PvP ONLY talents which don't work anywhere else in the game. Even PvE doesn't have that.

This man needs to be fired.

pvp should be about PLAYER + (skill) vs PLAYER + (skill) not PLAYER + (all the gear you could gather up through various means and may have had more time to do so) vs Player + (all the gear you could gather up through various means and may have had more gold or time to do so).

[Kreeshak]

Them removing reforging and the ability to focus on stats only removed the ability for new players to fuck themselves over. Everyone with any experience just goes online and finds the best spec and copies it. There was always a best way to build your character and any minor modifications were exactly that, minor. You whiners and alarmists don't have to play if you don't like that, if anything your absence will just make the community less toxic. The game changes, deal with it or don't.

If you go online and find the best spec and copy it, you are doing it wrong. There is never a best way to build your character, it is always situational. You are advocating I should deal with changes, because you couldn't deal with understanding and mechanics. The irony on that.

pvp should be about PLAYER + (skill) vs PLAYER + (skill) not PLAYER + (all the gear you could gather up through various means and may have had more time to do so) vs Player + (all the gear you could gather up through various means and may have had more gold or time to do so).

No. This has been discussed to death. There are two schools of PVP theory. Those who believe in working hard and putting effort and the soviets

[PrairieChicken]

Holinka wants to turn WoW into a moba. Gear, dedication or progress doesn't matter anymore, eveyone gets handed the same gear when they enter a BG.

Not to mention awful PvP ONLY talents which don't work anywhere else in the game. Even PvE doesn't have that.

This man needs to be fired.

Um no, gear matters more in Legion than live, this false rumor needs to die

[Eerie Memes]

If you go online and find the best spec and copy it, you are doing it wrong. There is never a best way to build your character, it is always situational. You are advocating I should deal with changes, because you couldn't deal with understanding and mechanics. The irony on that.

Changing a few talents between an arena match and entirely remaking your character is not a matter of being situational. Even if a haste build is best exactly 50% of the time and a mastery build the other 50%, it's not like you could ever change that on the fly. Now there are just talents, which is the one thing that actually should matter. A scrublord won't change his talents before an arena match like a good player does. If you are suggesting that I am claiming that one should copy talents online and never change then you need to work on your reading comprehension. My post was about removing reforging and gems in pvp.

[Daymanmb]

So if I wanted to play a haste stacking destruction warlock because I like getting spells off quickly, I couldn't.

Hang on, isnt its a % increase to the stats youre wearing?

Yes. ilvl improve your stats by 0.1 per ilvl.