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    Quote Originally Posted by PrimaryColor View Post
    Nope, we need to get way more charged for the 2020 election. Better to let Democrats run the economy into the dirt or to prosperity than acquiesce. Either one is okay.
    And who will carry your flag? That's the joke of it. Nobody is going to touch Trumpism if they were wearing a lead suit.

    Donald Trump and the Legion of Losers is already radioactive as we've seen in politics in our lifetimes. And you're telling me someone is going to be like "oh that's such a success, we're gonna do it again! I'll take the lead."

    If so I have a bridge I want to sell you.

    The Trumpist downfall is going to be so hard, I can't wait.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skroe View Post
    And who will carry your flag? That's the joke of it.
    Democrats will carry the flag. The longer you are in power the less you can blame your opponents. A lot of promises have been made by Democrats such as Hillary, the pressure is on to perform.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noxx79 View Post
    Coward Trump knows he's going to get destroyed in the debates.

    Here's what's going to happen. A question is asked, Hillary will have her answer, Trump will have his. Trumps will involve something wrong or completely made up, moderator will call him out on it, trump will deny, and overnight trump will tweet how everyone was against him.
    Coward trump doesn't understand reality.
    I wonder if you've seen this video explicitly displaying Hillary Clinton lying about her position when called out for flip-flopping by Anderson Cooper

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    Quote Originally Posted by PrimaryColor View Post
    Democrats will carry the flag. The longer you are in power the less you can blame your opponents. A lot of promises have been made by Democrats such as Hillary, the pressure is on to perform.
    I don't think you quite understand.

    Hillary Clinton could become President and do nothing but watch Netflix. For many people, her beating a racist, sexist, cryptofascist useful idiot to Vladmir Putin will be her Presidential achievement. She's performing a national service in that regard. It's like when Le Pen made it to the last round of the French Presidential Election, and the Socialists united behind the UMP (Center-Right party) just to keep The National Front out of power.

    This election has made strange bedfellows, BECAUSE of Donald Trump and BECAUSE of your beliefs. They are unacceptable and extremist.

    Exactly what margin of defeat must there be for you to understand that the American people aren't interested in what Donald Trump is selling? It's delusional you think that anything Hillary will do in 4 years will swing people around to Trumpism. Americans will not swing around to Donald Trump's racism, Donald Trump's xenophobia, Donald Trump's sexism, Donald Trump's disgust at our allies, Donald Trump's contempt for the disabled, Donald Trump's contempt for the military, Donald Trump's entire know-nothing platform (such as it is). It is entirely incompatible with the vast majority of Americans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skroe View Post
    Hillary Clinton could become President and do nothing but watch Netflix.
    Nope, we wont stand for it. We will demand that she be held accountable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PrimaryColor View Post
    Nope, we wont stand for it. We will demand that she be held accountable.
    I think you people are going to have your hands full saving yourselves to worry about Hillary.

    You forget what the Establishment is going to get their hands on thanks to Donald Trump trying to run his campaign within an RNC he approproaited - a list of every single person who worked on his campaign.

    To put it another way, a blacklist.

    You don't believe that shit happens? Tell me, have you heard from people who labored in the trenches on Bob Dole's or John McCain's campaign lately? You haven't. Because failures aren't rewarded with second acts.

    Paul Manafort being one of them by the way. He went and did work in Ukraine for Putin's inner circle, because he was effectively persona-non-grata among the Republican party here.

    Donald Trump is creating an entire generation of Paul Manaforts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skroe View Post
    I think you people are going to have your hands full saving yourselves to worry about Hillary.

    You forget what the Establishment is going to get their hands on thanks to Donald Trump trying to run his campaign within an RNC he approproaited - a list of every single person who worked on his campaign.

    To put it another way, a blacklist.

    You don't believe that shit happens? Tell me, have you heard from people who labored in the trenches on Bob Dole's or John McCain's campaign lately? You haven't. Because failures aren't rewarded with second acts.

    Paul Manafort being one of them by the way. He went and did work in Ukraine for Putin's inner circle, because he was effectively persona-non-grata among the Republican party here.

    Donald Trump is creating an entire generation of Paul Manaforts.
    If Republican politicians dont support Trump then the party needs to go away. There is no point in having 2 Democratic parties with different names, 1 party would be more a more honest representation.
    Last edited by PC2; 2016-08-09 at 07:20 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skroe View Post
    Considering the debates are going to be more akin to a firing squad for him, yes absolutely. Trump's primary debate tactics on a crowded stage with Republicans won't work against a singular Democrat with 8 months of preparation to debate him at her back, in the General Election. Even his strategy thus far in the General Election campaign has been an unmitigated catastrophe.

    Trump destroyed himself in the past two weeks. With the debates, Clinton will bury him and Trumpism.

    There is lot a dislike about Hillary, but she is the most perfectly equipped person there is to expose and demolish everything Donald Trump stands for.

    I bet money he comes out of the first debate, if he shows at all, whining about moderation and the crowd. Anything except for the fact that if you want an intelligent debate, you'll have to tune into the sole VP one. Clinton vs Trump is going to be more like Clinton being a prosecutor serving up an indictment of Trump and his Legion of Losers.
    The best description I've heard about this election so far is that each candidate will win if the race is about their opponent and both candidates want the election to be about Trump.

  9. #1989
    Quote Originally Posted by PrimaryColor View Post
    If Republican politicians dont support Trump then the party needs to go away. There is no point in having 2 Democratic parties with different names, 1 party would be better.
    Real Republicans and Real Conservatives have major and meaningful disagreements on policy and political philosophy with Democrats. We are two different political and belief schools of thought.

    But both exist in the realm of the reasonableness and competition on the playfield of ideas, both of which are not welcome to what Trump stands for.

    In power, both parties would govern substantially.

    You only define them as "two democratic parties" because Trumps positions are so extreme as to be the anathema of responsibility and reason to most Americans. I'd applaud the first Trumpist who embraces the extremism of their beliefs rather than try to spin it as anything not.

    This year Hillary Clinton is the unity candidate against an extremist. It's as simple as that. The Trumpists are lucky it's Hillary Clinton and not basically anybody else, or the beating would be worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wells View Post
    The best description I've heard about this election so far is that each candidate will win if the race is about their opponent and both candidates want the election to be about Trump.
    That's brilliant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skroe View Post
    Real Republicans and Real Conservatives have major and meaningful disagreements on policy and political philosophy with Democrats. We are two different political and belief schools of thought.
    We already have that. Trump supports mass deportation of illegals, Hillary does not, she wants them as future Democrat voters. That is a meaningful policy disagreement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skroe View Post
    I think you people are going to have your hands full saving yourselves to worry about Hillary.

    You forget what the Establishment is going to get their hands on thanks to Donald Trump trying to run his campaign within an RNC he approproaited - a list of every single person who worked on his campaign.

    To put it another way, a blacklist.

    You don't believe that shit happens? Tell me, have you heard from people who labored in the trenches on Bob Dole's or John McCain's campaign lately? You haven't. Because failures aren't rewarded with second acts.

    Paul Manafort being one of them by the way. He went and did work in Ukraine for Putin's inner circle, because he was effectively persona-non-grata among the Republican party here.

    Donald Trump is creating an entire generation of Paul Manaforts.
    The people who worked on dole's campaign are the same people in trumps campaign.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PrimaryColor View Post
    We already have that. Trump supports mass deportation of illegals, Hillary does not, she wants them as future Democrat voters. That is a meaningful policy disagreement.
    Mass deportations are not a meaningful policy disagreement. It's a disagreement between sanity and insanity. Between the reasonable and unreasonable. Between the likely and the fanciful.

    No Democrat or Republican is ever going to order this country's police forces and immigration forces to round up 11 million people and drop them across the border. Do you understand what that would mean? Do you understand what 11 million people is? It would be a humanitarian crisis three times the size of what fled Syria's Civil War. And you propose we engineer that?

    Is that a joke? Are you trying to destroy this country's moral authority, or are you just doing it by accident out of a sense of frustration with the status quo?


    Or let me put it another way. President Trump wouldn't order it. Congress would never fund it. If, in some work of truly dark magic, you get a Trumpist Congress, Democrats will filibuster it. And if that fails, Mexico would take us to the International Court of Justice over it, and probably win.


    So exactly how do you 'win' this issue? Or are you just trying to make yourselves feel better.
    Last edited by Skroe; 2016-08-09 at 07:46 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PrimaryColor View Post
    We already have that. Trump supports mass deportation of illegals, Hillary does not, she wants them as future Democrat voters. That is a meaningful policy disagreement.
    Its wishful thinking. Pandering doesn't equate into loyalty. A mass deportation on that scale is about as real as the wall he says is going to build. Build the wall is a rallying cry. Nothing more or less.
    Last edited by Barnabas; 2016-08-09 at 07:54 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PrimaryColor View Post
    We already have that. Trump supports mass deportation of illegals, Hillary does not, she wants them as future Democrat voters. That is a meaningful policy disagreement.
    It's odd that you're talking about Trump as if he's still political relevant. This election is already over.

    Trumps 'policies' matter about as much as Bob Dole right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PrimaryColor View Post
    If Republican politicians dont support Trump then the party needs to go away. There is no point in having 2 Democratic parties with different names, 1 party would be more a more honest representation.
    No one should be forced to support a candidate they don't like. The party doesn't need to go away but they need to act together by 2020.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skroe View Post
    It would be a humanitarian crisis three times the size of what fled Syria's Civil War.
    Sending people back to their home nation is not a humanitarian crisis. Even if it was, Mexico is responsible for Mexico.

    Quote Originally Posted by Skroe View Post
    Are you trying to destroy this country's moral authority
    Nobody on your side believes in that. You're the only one.

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    TRUMPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP



    also lol@common core. I have never seen something so fucking stupid to be used as an education system as common core. I just can't believe it.
    I may not agree with what you say but I will fight to the death to defend your right to say it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PrimaryColor View Post
    Sending people back to their home nation is not a humanitarian crisis. Even if it was, Mexico is responsible for Mexico.

    Many haven't lived there for years or even decades. You'd be sending them back to nothing. But sure keep telling yourself "they're just going home".

    Quote Originally Posted by PrimaryColor View Post
    Nobody on your side believes in that. You're the only one.
    Quite the contrary. The reality of not deporting people on moral grounds is a fact among 'my side'. The question is what do we do with them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skroe View Post
    Quite the contrary. The reality of not deporting people on moral grounds is a fact among 'my side'. The question is what do we do with them.
    You are on the side that supports moral relativism. You would let barbarians take over your town, as long as they dont call you a bigot.

  19. #1999
    Quote Originally Posted by vexew View Post
    Straws?

    Can bring out the big guns from the most recent leaks about the Clinton foundation if you wish....
    But right now im settled for attacking her inability to lead a country due to her being sick and yet again, there is leaked documentaries to support that fact.
    She cannot even walk stairs without aid!

    In her current health. Which is getting rapidly worse as this election is draining her alot, she won't last in a debate duel against Trump.
    Yep, you are grasping at straws. The sad fact that you can't even make an argument is enough for you to lose any and all debates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bushtuckrman View Post
    TRUMPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP



    also lol@common core. I have never seen something so fucking stupid to be used as an education system as common core. I just can't believe it.
    Common core is another failed attempt at education reform. I guess it could be doctored to make students pass tests but does that make them any smarter?

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