so how is frost dps atm in legion?

[Onslaught49]

just wondering how it fares in comparison to other dps specs atm

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just wondering how it fares in comparison to other dps specs atm

inb4 someone posts its still beta final tuning hasnt been done, and completely avoid your actual question.

they're faring up pretty well atm from what i've seen unholy is abit ahead of it on most fights tho, but all in all DK's are a solid choice.

[Kronik85]

just wondering how it fares in comparison to other dps specs atm

Right now it's terrible. At 110 it's meant to perform ok though, toolkit isn't as good as Unholy but if you're a Frost or bust guy you should be happy enough with it's performance.

[Aivenarion]

In my personal opinion, Frost is doing fine even now. I hardly face any difficulties on current encounters. I'm not stating that I'm one of the best Frost players, I'm also one of those guys who switched to Frost from long-time Unholy friendship and still learning the drill.

[Hanzzy]

I'm finding I crush most unholy players as Frost around my ilvl (835) of course, I'm not super geared (no Tier pieces). And I could be a better player then they are. I happened to get lucky with a world quest for Frost Relic which is why I've been playing Frost (869 ilvl weapon) vs unholy (842 ilvl weapon). Which also makes a very big difference.

[Deleted]

Honestly, damage tuning will be on going the entire expansion in reply to the guy talking about beta & tuning, Blizz calims this xpac that all specs will be competetive and within a small % of each other, more so than in the past - take that for what you will. I personally doubt this to be true, but they like to claim their knobs and other bullhockey they are selling.

General consensus seems to be that UH is a bit better ST, Frost is a bit better where you really can cleave a lot - this is my understanding. When I played, after the "bugged frost" fixes, Unholy has been ahead, but I haven't played a couple of weeks on the beta.

[RuneDK]

Frost is under unholy slightly right now but it's not by a lot of I'm not mistaken. Aside from world progression guilds you as of right now should be able to choose either spec. My current guild is trying to push unholy on me, and I'm just not having it cause it's prepatch. I'm trying to have fun testing things. I actually shut the raid lead out when he said he checked icy veins to tell me I should be playing unholy.

[Onslaught49]

ah nice to hear good things about frost although now im even more torn on wether to main arms warrior or frost dk come legion lol

[Deleted]

I'm leaning towards Frost as well for PvP reasons but then I cry a little because Melee is really in a bad place right now, UH still has Clawing Shadows and VP etc, you can play quite safely from a bit of a distance unlike Frost. Especially with UH beeing the better PvE spec, I can squat 2 bugs in one go. I need to have Blood weapon, then ideally one for both... I do think I prefer frost regardless though

Need some PvPers to tell me what the better PvP spec is, but supposed I need to wait for live for that.

[Onslaught49]

btw is frostscythe mandatory or are the the other talents viable? just wondering as i was thinking of going with runic attenuation.

[RuneDK]

Frostscythe is only mandatory right now due to the 4pc t18 bonus. Once we hit 110, runic attenuation and gathering storm will have some niches

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GS makes RW viable for ST damage and afaik, it was the best choice. Last I was really in the loop is couple weeks back, so my info may be well out of tune. Check out what Maxeii says, hes well versed in it.

[RuneDK]

As far as pvp goes, which I personally haven't done a lot of testing, unholy is by far a much better spec in competitive pvp. It has a better overall kit than frost. Until they make frost more tanky, have better healing, or increase its damage significantly when on target it probably won't be that great for pvp. Probably decent for low bracket similar to pretty much pre-wod.

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GS makes RW viable for ST damage and afaik, it was the best choice. Last I was really in the loop is couple weeks back, so my info may be well out of tune. Check out what Maxeii says, hes well versed in it.

Currently remorseless winter is already worth it single target. If I'm not mistaken it does most damage per rune spent. I haven't done a lot of testing at 110 on the beta but I don't recall seeing it being nerfed.

[Deleted]

Excellent, I enjoy Unholy more anyway from a playstyle perspective. Me and my army... I call them Blimey(Abo) and Timster(Bowman)

[Baddok21]

Anyone able to check if Razor Ice (increased Frost dmg taken debuff) is actually working for:

Frost Fever
Frostscythe
Remorseless Winter
Glacial Advance
Frost Strike
Howling Blast
Breath of Sindragosa
Avalanche
Frozen Pulse
Razor Ice Weapon dmg proc

Last i Checked 4 weeks ago Razor Ice only increased the dmg of:

Howling Blast
Frost Strike
Frost Fever (at the time this was a recent fix - undocumented)
Breath of Sindragosa
Razore Ice Weapon dmg proc

as if they did not properlly code the newly gained dmg sources from talents and Legion (FSc, RW, GA, FP, Avalanche)

Im at work or i would check for myself. And i havent really wasted much time on Frost because its ya know... inferior

[Deleted]

both have strengths and weakneses frost is abit more rng dependent then unholy due killing machine. frost can do veyr good aoe dmg with sindragosa fury but its 5min cd while so if used on pull youl likly only get 2uses out of it. unholys aoe is lot more often. id still recomend you try unholy and blood aswell incase unholy becomes massibly better at some point or if you want to due wolrdquests bloods survial can help alot.

[qqemokitty]

I've been a diehard frost DK for awhile now, but I'm loving unholy despite my squick about the festering grossness. The play is very fluid and Epidemic is mad fun and way better than it should be probably. :P And despite being a person who doesn't much enjoy pet classes, I have been enjoying being followed by my abom, skeleton, and plague whelping. I do believe we get to collect more minions via the artifact so that's neat.

Now, when playing frost, it has this feeling too it that is very hard hitting. I feel like I am hitting hard (this is not from a damage meter perspective, but from gameplay / enjoyment. Obliterate, Froststrike, and Frostscythe are all very satisfying buttons to push.

[Piz813]

I have less than 22% crit and do well as frost in normals on beta. Frost is in a good place.

Unholy is awesome with zombies and shit but for me, frost is doing more damage. Beating all the demon hunters I group with :-)

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I will add frost scythe is hitting on average 20k more then obliterate. So I use that until fever is about to fall off and I need a rime proc

[Garlee]

I haven't played beta a whole lot but I found once u adjusted my gear to sync with frost better I jumped up a bunch on dps. I'm using lfr achi to get a base line on how my spec is doing as frost I'm doing 60-65k as unholy I'm doing 70-75k my aoe as unholy is insane but frost aoe with frostscythe and 32%crit isn't terrible. I did two achi fights last night and I was top dps on each with frost just slightly lower. Now granted that is now not 110 but assume everything scales evenly 5-10k difference isn't going to effect much for average raid guilds. I think it's a matter of play preference and I'm torn between the two but I'll probably end up frost as I see uh getting nerfed more or frost getting tuned a bit

[Fenrkyr]

I can't speak on overall DPS at 110, but do think OB is going to have the same problem it did all through WoD with current tuning. With moderate levels of mastery FSc crits are significantly superior to OB, and I don't yet know what level of crit/mastery required to make FSc the better option in all situations, regardless of KM. If such a level of secondary stats is obtainable in T19 then the priority system is going to get quite dull, quite fast. Either OB base damage itself probably needs to increase, or Rime needs to increase, though I fear FSc will be nerfed further before either of those it buffed.

I'd just rather not devolve to FS/FSc with HB only to keep FF rolling and GA and RW every 9-18 seconds.