Hungarian people vote to reject immigration quotas but low turnout

[Nitro Fun]

Referenda don't illustrate jack shit, they're a useful tool for politicians to fob off hot button issues to the masses rather than risk tarnishing themselves by making politically distasteful or divisive decisions - nothing more.

Kindly remove your avatar when you hold this opinion. You are not a social democrat as heeding the will of the people is a vital part of social democracy.

[Cybran]

No, it shouldn't. It should be based on socioeconomic capacity to accomodate them.

No. Merkel told them to come and she should take them all.

[Nitro Fun]

No, it shouldn't. It should be based on socioeconomic capacity to accomodate them.

Okay, mr dictator.

[nextormento]

Or that the majority of the voter base isn't sufficiently interested in the issue

If we invoke consent by the silent, interest on the issue is irrelevant: you're either wrong on your thesis, or wrong on the rationale for your thesis.

[Elegiac]

Kindly remove your avatar when you hold this opinion. You are not a social democrat as heeding the will of the people is a vital part of social democracy.

Being a socialist doesn't mean I have to believe that the majority of voters are sufficiently informed to decide on policy, thanks.

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Okay, mr dictator.

For your next trick, are you going to claim that people should be able to just 'decide' how much tax they are going to pay?

[Nitro Fun]

Being a socialist doesn't mean I have to believe that the majority of voters are sufficiently informed to decide on policy, thanks.

Yes, it does. Call yourself a communist or a dictator instead if you don't want people to be able to decide what happens by democratic means.

[Elegiac]

Yes, it does. Call yourself a communist or a dictator instead if you don't want people to be able to decide what happens by democratic means.

Do they vote for their representatives in parliament? Then they already do so.

[Kalis]

Which is why it's extremely mystifying that you bend over backwards supporting Brexit in the wake of the referendum.

I don't bend over for anything. I am a pragmatist and a realist, fantasies of EUtopia are of no interest to me, nor is reading the nonsense of people who think international politics should be conducted as if by a jilted teenage lover.

Referenda don't illustrate jack shit, they're a useful tool for politicians to fob off hot button issues to the masses rather than risk tarnishing themselves by making politically distasteful or divisive decisions - nothing more.

The people expressing their direct will on how a subject should proceed is not an illustration of their will? That is kind of an odd claim to make.

[ranzino]

Being a socialist doesn't mean I have to believe that the majority of voters are sufficiently informed to decide on policy, thanks.

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You just declared any election without > 95 % attendance a silly idea. They need information too when electing their representatives and if they are sufficent informed ( by usual opinion of all parties) to cast a valid vote every some years, they are also sufficent informed to say a simple "NO".

Otherwise you have to scrap the idea of a parliament chosen by everybody and their grandma and only the wisest elite should decide.

[Nitro Fun]

Do they vote for their representatives in parliament? Then they already do so.

Only being able to influence the direction a country is headed every few years when it's elections is not democracy in its right word. In a true democracy people can change the direction the country is headed inbetween election periods - by referendums.

[Cybran]

You just declared any election without > 95 % attendance a silly idea.

Most leftists like him despise opposing views.

[Kalis]

No, it shouldn't. It should be based on socioeconomic capacity to accomodate them.

Why should nations agree to an inevitable increase in sexual assault crimes just because Germany is pissed off with having their rates increase?

[Lei]

I'm here to shed some light.
1. There is no such thing atm as migrant quota.
2. The question on the paper was shady. Hungary didn't vote about not letting migrants in their country, the question was "Do you want the European Union to be able to mandate the obligatory resettlement of non-Hungarian citizens into Hungary even without the approval of the National Assembly?"
Basically: do we want to give free hands to the current(!) rulers to decide in this question.
3. From the first 2 point, it is clear that this vote was nothing more than dick waving, that is why the participation is relatively low. Participation being low doesn't even matter for Orban, he has claimed this whole event as a success. Success for FIDESZ (his fraction), success for him as president. It was a clever(?) laid trap for all fractions, because no one will say yes to this question, not even the opposite fraction.
I doubt that hungarians would want migrants in the country. But this vote was not about that.

[Deleted]

If it's less than 51%, it's a minority dude.

Look at the math on this sovietic socialist. Some people cant be arsed to vote, if the rest of population would have voted its extremely unlikely, practically impossible, they would have voted that 98% back to 49%.

It would basicly mean that all of them should have voted yes for refugees.

The majority of Europe spits on your refugees. You can deny that, but you know pretty well thats the truth. You are jsut here to spew out disgusting propaganda, and support marxist ideals.

You managed to produce one of the most retarded statement in a while with that minority claim.


Get that thorugh your thick skull, leftist trash is just carefully attended and moderated into circle jerks, in truth they are a tiny frail minority, everyone spits on your politics. You can see that on websites that dont blatanlty hand out deletes and bans by the tons (for example youtube comments, lieks, dislikes).

[Nitro Fun]

Most leftists like him despise opposing views.

Don't mistake being a dictator with being leftist.

[boccko]

Too bad it would have been a good reason to finally kick Hungary out.

I've been hearing you're also getting stiff with muslims. Does that constitute a reason to be kicked out?

[Mihalik]

Hungary, while in the past it was more of Central European country, it has now fully joined the League of Shitty Eastern European Shitholes.

They are out of Jews so Muslims will do for now.

(Half of my family is Hungarian. My grandfather on the Hungarian side was to his death an unrepentant Nazi.)

[Moon-Man]

At this point, Merkel is ten times worse than Adolf Hitler ever was. At least Hitler was not a cuck who wanted to destroy his own country. Merkel is not just a threat to Germany, but the whole Europe.

[Deleted]

Hungary, while in the past it was more of Central European country, it has now fully joined the League of Shitty Eastern European Shitholes.

They are out of Jews so Muslims will do for now.

(Half of my family is Hungarian. My grandfather on the Hungarian side was to his death an unrepentant Nazi.)

Yeah right, lets just mention nazis and the jews and move on.
You guys are tinier by the day.

[Snorkles]

Only being able to influence the direction a country is headed every few years when it's elections is not democracy in its right word.

Well, it is. It's a Representative Democracy. Which believe it or not is included in the dictionary definition of a Democracy.