Could the Nazis ever have successfully invaded the USA?

[yetgdhfgh]

Could the Nazis ever have successfully invaded the USA?

Ok lets say Pearl Harbour never happened or at least was delayed for at least a year and lets say the US decided to be strictly neutral during the war could they have been successfully invaded had things took it course?

Now had the USA left Britain to its fate though they would've fought on valiantly BUT as a island nation they would've eventually had to have given in or at the least sued for peace this would've left Nazi Germany incharge of the whole of Europe. Now with the western front gone they would've spent all there resources invading the USSR and they could've succeeded cause nearly the whole of Europes resources which the Nazis had under there control would've been used plus they wouldn't have needed to send tanks to North Africa to fight the British and i believe the Nazis would've beaten the soviets which would've meant the Nazis would've controlled the resources of not just Europe but Russia and its territories. With Britain impotent nothing wouldve stopped them from taking the British empire which would've meant the Middle East and India could've fell under Nazi control.

Now after that the Japanese then wouldve gone on the warpath and taken the whole of south east asia including Australia cause there would've been no Royal Navy to protect Australia. So now you got Nazi Germany and Japan Practically controlling nearly 2 thirds of the global resources and population.

Now you got South America which alot of countries certainly had pro Nazi sympathy's plus if the Nazis or the Japanese could capture the Panama Canal that would've split the US navy in two reducing its effectiveness.

So now you got a situation where the whole of Europe, Asia, Middle East and prolly South America is under Axis control just leaving the USA and Canada free countries and could they resist a massive invasion from both its coasts plus nearly all of the USA major cities are located near coastlines ripe for seaborne invasion.

[Auxora]

Well that was the plan originally for Hitler, he just never got close. The idea was to defeat England, then take out Russia, and finally invade the US using England as a staging area. But Germany lost the air war (Battle of Britain) and had to cancel the invasion of England. Then Hitler skipped ahead to Russia. They were working on long-distance aircraft and rockets longer-term to get to the US. Thankfully though it was all too ambitious and Germany started losing the war before it ever came close to that. Sending uboats off the eastern coast of the US and to the Gulf of Mexico, which still sunk quite a few ships, was as close as that came.

Also back in the late 1930's/40's South America wasn't militarized at all and wouldn't have been much of a help. Plus the support there although present was still the minority, so not very realistic that they would have joined. Hitler even asked Mexico to join the war vs. the US and they refused.

Even in the theoretical world US vs. Germany alone, the US had air and sea superiority. Germany had no carriers and essentially no above the surface sea power. Considering Germany couldn't even get air superiority over England when they didn't have direct US military support yet, only ~30 miles away from German-held airbases in France, couldn't even get to the point of invading a country that close, it all seems like a major-major longshot. Plus Germany didn't have time to do all this. They wouldn't have been able to invade even 1:1 without war with any other countries at war or involved before 1945, and by then the US had the bomb. Maybe in total theoretical fantasyland where it were only 1:1 US and Germany, if the Atlantic ocean didn't exist, and if somehow the US and Germany were adjacent bordering countries. Then that probably would have been a close fight. But in the real world, any invasion force would have been wiped out before it got 100 miles from German ports.

[NED funded]

All of the countries in South America at the exception of Chile had declared war on Germany.

[TheramoreIsTheBomb]

I don't see why Nazi talk is so frequent in American culture. The Nazi's were a sick people and humanity would've suffered with just one single human "Race" on Earth if their plans would've succeeded. For an example, did you know the Nazi's sent pre-teens to the beaches alone so they could get pregnant and produce more german children? sick fucking shit.

[jellmoo]

If:

The Nazis had not attacked Russia
and had completed the move westward
and Japan had been more successful destabilizing the United States

Yes, absolutely.

[yetgdhfgh]

All of the countries in South America at the exception of Chile had declared war on Germany.

At the time maybe but alot of South American countries like Argentina certainly had pro Nazi feeling but it wouldnt matter cause they certainly wouldve seen where the wind was blowing plus during WW1 Germany almost made Mexico invade the US southwest it was one of the reasons the US went to war against Germany back in WW1

[Kronik85]

Operation Barborossa (The German invasion of Russia) started in June and failed in December 2 days before the USA entered the War. The tide had already turned against Nazi Germany before the USA even entered the war so I think your premise is flawed.

[Deleted]

If everything during the war had gone differently, maybe.

[Deleted]

Nah sorry, we made them deliver instant corpses instead of long viewed ambitions. Germany back than could only do very little damage to humanity in % numbers. We decided to wait another age for America to rot and Russia to rot, because the war after lil Germanies comeback would deliver a lot more corpses.

[Independent voter]

Cicero said the "sinews of war were infinite money". The US was filthy rich pre-WWII, the Germans were poor, already looking through the sofa cushions for loose change. This video explains it

[yetgdhfgh]

When a country controls almost infinite resources and nearly all the worlds population then money dont mean fuck all!

Dont forget Nazi Germanys brutality when it came to population control they couldve and WOULDVE obliterate a town and slaughtered its inhabitants just if one nazi soldier was ambushed

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Operation Barborossa (The German invasion of Russia) started in June and failed in December 2 days before the USA entered the War. The tide had already turned against Nazi Germany before the USA even entered the war so I think your premise is flawed.

It was Stalingrad and the bitter winter that turned the tide and dont forget the US was supplying stalin with arms something that would not be possible had the US stayed neutral.

Also you must remember nobody knew about the deathcamps so most people wouldve saw the Nazis as a lesser evil to Stalinist Communism which the western countries hated!

[DJ117]

Well that was the plan originally for Hitler, he just never got close. The idea was to defeat England, then take out Russia, and finally invade the US using England as a staging area. But Germany lost the air war (Battle of Britain) and had to cancel the invasion of England. Then Hitler skipped ahead to Russia. They were working on long-distance aircraft and rockets longer-term to get to the US. Thankfully though it was all too ambitious and Germany started losing the war before it ever came close to that. Sending uboats off the eastern coast of the US and to the Gulf of Mexico, which still sunk quite a few ships, was as close as that came.

Also back in the late 1930's/40's South America wasn't militarized at all and wouldn't have been much of a help. Plus the support there although present was still the minority, so not very realistic that they would have joined. Hitler even asked Mexico to join the war vs. the US and they refused.

Even in the theoretical world US vs. Germany alone, the US had air and sea superiority. Germany had no carriers and essentially no above the surface sea power. Considering Germany couldn't even get air superiority over England when they didn't have direct US military support yet, only ~30 miles away from German-held airbases in France, couldn't even get to the point of invading a country that close, it all seems like a major-major longshot. Plus Germany didn't have time to do all this. They wouldn't have been able to invade even 1:1 without war with any other countries at war or involved before 1945, and by then the US had the bomb. Maybe in total theoretical fantasyland where it were only 1:1 US and Germany, if the Atlantic ocean didn't exist, and if somehow the US and Germany were adjacent bordering countries. Then that probably would have been a close fight. But in the real world, any invasion force would have been wiped out before it got 100 miles from German ports.

You're quite blinded by patriotism. Germany had air superiority over the British, but they wasted it by switching bombing targets throughout the campaign. The German focus on London actually saved the British in the end.

If Britain fell, the Germans would had been able to focus entirely upon Russia from the west whilst Japan attacked from the east. The Russian resources would had kept the Japanese from attacking Pearl Harbour.

I don't think Hitler would want to attack the US at this stage, but rather consolidate in Europe and develop rocket, misile and atom technology. Fortunately, Hitler was dumb.

[Guy4123]

Germany didn't even have the capability to land forces onto the beaches of the UK. What makes you think they would fare any better ferrying troops to the US?

[truckboattruck]

Germany didn't even have the capability to land forces onto the beaches of the UK. What makes you think they would fare any better ferrying troops to the US?

they didnt want to

[Sam the Wiser]

In quite a few states they would have to fight street by street.

[yetgdhfgh]

Germany didn't even have the capability to land forces onto the beaches of the UK. What makes you think they would fare any better ferrying troops to the US?

Thats the thing capability

Back then his naval forces wouldve been decimated by the Royal Navy but with those out of the equation and with the US navy split had they taken the Panama canal plus it was the entry into WW2 that forced the USA to fund research into Atomic bombs somthing the Nazis already knew about so had the US not undertaken the manhattan project the Nazis couldve gotten the bomb by maybe 1947 dont forget the Heroes of telemark who crippled the hard water factory and that raid would never have happend!

So the Nazis wouldve gotten the bomb way before the US and with that it wouldve been Game, Set and Match!

[Macaquerie]

Quite frankly, the Germans would have nothing to gain from invading the USA. Without getting too nationalistic, America's greatest asset is the ingenuity and resourcefulness of her people, and that's only something that can be harnessed if those people are given the kinds of rights and freedoms that they're used to exercising. Under the heel of an oppressive autocrat, all of that evaporates and America just becomes a huge and nearly ungovernable chunk of land that has neither an abundance of natural resources nor a useful strategic location in relation to the Old World powers.

[Snakepit1993]

All of the countries in South America at the exception of Chile had declared war on Germany.

Chile declared war to Japan on WWII, and never declared war on Germany because Germany was a buyer of their copper.

[yetgdhfgh]

Quite frankly, the Germans would have nothing to gain from invading the USA. Without getting too nationalistic, America's greatest asset is the ingenuity and resourcefulness of her people, and that's only something that can be harnessed if those people are given the kinds of rights and freedoms that they're used to exercising. Under the heel of an oppressive autocrat, all of that evaporates and America just becomes a huge and nearly ungovernable chunk of land that has neither an abundance of natural resources nor a useful strategic location in relation to the Old World powers.

The thing is had the Nazis not had a insane hatred of Jews maybe i would agree but that was the reason the Nazis declared war on the USA in the first place even though it was without doubt the stupidiest thing Nazi Germany ever did in WW2. I know they wanted to back up a ally but did germany really care about japan that much to incure the wrath of a country that was many times bigger than it was?

You must remember the Nazis blew up a whole town and killed most of its inhabitants just because Hydrich was assassinated.

[Ripster42]

Quite frankly, the Germans would have nothing to gain from invading the USA. Without getting too nationalistic, America's greatest asset is the ingenuity and resourcefulness of her people, and that's only something that can be harnessed if those people are given the kinds of rights and freedoms that they're used to exercising. Under the heel of an oppressive autocrat, all of that evaporates and America just becomes a huge and nearly ungovernable chunk of land that has neither an abundance of natural resources nor a useful strategic location in relation to the Old World powers.

Uh, what? No really, what?